Is this for real?

[goin' fer smoke]

http://www.payless-cigars.com/items.php/deptid=1&styleid=592

This HAS to be a scam!?!?!

[Halon]

Pinars are legit, but I was under the impression that they are not 100% cuban tobacco, and in fact may have very little at all. I believe most people described these cigars as tasting like piss. But I've never tried one myself.


TYLER

[sarnone]

My local b&m has the PINAR in stock. I bought a couple for $15/each. Didn't think they were anything great. And yes, they are legal. Any Cuban tobacco that was in the U.S. prior to the embargo was grandfathered in as legal. These were supposedly rolled from this tobacco. If you do a search on pre-embargo cuban tobacco, you will probably find the story. It's a bit convoluted.

[sarnone]

I think you are referring to these instead of the above cigars.

http://mikesalsbury.com/mambo/content/view/180/

[derek]

The local place by me has them but they start at $18, I haven't heard of anyone to try them around me yet so I have not. To much money for me to spend on one cigar.

[CWS]

Pinars are legit, but I was under the impression that they are not 100% cuban tobacco, and in fact may have very little at all. I believe most people described these cigars as tasting like piss. But I've never tried one myself.


TYLER

As Pinar runs out of "legal" pre-embargo leaf, they started to blend and you can get a variety of blends. I bought two of the Pinar 3000 double coronas when in Boston in 2005 and enjoyed them so I bought a box when I got home. I dont know what I saw in them but havent found it in these current cigars.

[jmatkins]

Some are very legit, I bought some of the first in upstate NY they were brought in by the Armando Ramos factory. Some of them are 100% Cuban and some are Cuban wraper and other fillers. I had the 100% Cubans and the onse I had were very good but I have heard other people who did not like them.

[waterboy]

O.K., now I'm confused! The payless web site says "Pre-Embargo Cubans---100% Cuban Tobacco (filler, binder & wrapper) - 100% Product of Cuba. These cigars are rolled entirely of Cuban tobacco, certified by their seal as imported legally, prior to the establishment of restrictions on trade with the Republic of Cuba. The finished cigars have been re-imported and distributed with the full permission of the U.S. Dept. of Treasury: Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco & Firearms."

The Mike Salsbury site says: "CigarBid tells us that the Pinar 1958 Series B Pre-Embargo Cuban Rothschild is billed as one of the only sticks made with legal, authentic, pre-embargo Cuban tobacco. According to their site, it is made with 50% Dominican long filler and 50% Cuban long filler."

If they're talking about the same cigar, how can they still advertise 100% Cuban when its got 50% Dominican long filler?:wtf: :dunno:

[Halon]

Apparently there are different Pinar lines, and the different lines have varying percentages of tobacco in them. I was unaware of this, as I had only ever heard of the mixed-filler ones.


TYLER

[sarnone]

Halon is correct. They are not the same cigar....they have the same mfg, I believe it is Puros Indios, which by the way is what the "PI" in PINAR stands for. Hope this helps a bit waterboy. If you do a search on this pre-embargo tobacco you will get the whole story. Again, it is a convoluted story.

Sam

[joshua]

I think the name would come from the Pinar Del Río region/city of cuba.

[goin' fer smoke]

How MUCH pre-embargo leaves can there still be... and in what kind of shape? I knew that this was legal... what I meant was can there still be any stock still out there and available?

[oneaday]

Pre-embargo 100% cuban cigars don't sell for $15-18 they are much higher' upwards of $5000 a box depending on the marca.They might be un-enjoyable when you get them, due to storage conditions. Watch the wording carefully in the ads usually the amount of cuban leaf in these cigars are minimal at best. With all that being said why would you pay 2-3 times what the real deal is going for?

[Headbanger]

Do yourself a favor and pass on them.

[MichiganM]

Do yourself a favor and pass on them.

:yes:

[sarnone]

http://www.deweyavesmokeshop.com/cigars%20cuban.htm

[smokem94]

They are real dog rockets in my opinion!!! Not real Cuban cigars...just supposedly found old pre-embargo cuban tobacco.
I have had the P3000 and it tasted like shit.....I threw it away after a couple of inches.

[aholsber]

Do yourself a favor, don't do it. The pinars claim to be using pre-embargo Cuban tobacco. Here it is how many years past the embargo and they managed to find bales of properly stored Cuban tobacco? I don't think so. From what I understand, the sources of the tobacco cannot be confirmed, nor can the actual storage, etc.

Alan

[Headbanger]

I believe it is the real shit and tastes exactly like shit as well.

[sarnone]

Ditto on the shit thing!

[waterboy]

Pre-embargo 100% cuban cigars don't sell for $15-18 they are much higher' upwards of $5000 a box depending on the marca.They might be un-enjoyable when you get them, due to storage conditions. Watch the wording carefully in the ads usually the amount of cuban leaf in these cigars are minimal at best. With all that being said why would you pay 2-3 times what the real deal is going for?

'Nuff said for me!!!:thumbsup: :smokingbo

[CWS]

'Nuff said for me!!!:thumbsup: :smokingbo

Ah but it is not a pre-embargo cigar, its pre-embargo tobacco. No one said it was premier quality cuban tobacco, only that it came from Cuba. This is far to visible to be fake. Too many top B&M's carry the product. What it is is wishful thinking. Just because the tobacco came from cuba doesnt mean it has to be good. Its an interesting cigar that costs far more than its worth.

[vudu9]

Pinars are legit, but I was under the impression that they are not 100% cuban tobacco, and in fact may have very little at all. I believe most people described these cigars as tasting like piss. But I've never tried one myself.


TYLER

Only the BEST aged piss!

[oneaday]

Ah but it is not a pre-embargo cigar, its pre-embargo tobacco. No one said it was premier quality cuban tobacco, only that it came from Cuba. This is far to visible to be fake. Too many top B&M's carry the product. What it is is wishful thinking. Just because the tobacco came from cuba doesnt mean it has to be good. Its an interesting cigar that costs far more than its worth.

Sorry for the confusion and I do agree no one claimed it was premier quality.
I based my thoughts on the link provided in the first post of this thread. I had the impression the description read they were rolled pre-embargo and my point was the price didn't come near pre-embargo cigars. Even pre-embargo peso cigars go for close to that at legitimate auctions even though no-one except the original owner could authenticate the date of manufacture.

[CWS]

These were bales of tobacco. Certified. Going fer smoke if you really want to try one, let me know.