How about this idea?

[tripp]

Since it has proven that we are a bunch of civil adults here...well for the most part, how about this idea.

A topic of the day.
Every day at mid night we post a topic and everybody here is given 24 hours to post thier thoughts and ideas on that matter. At the end of the day the topic is locked and you go on to the next topic.

It does not have to be anything serious. It could be a ginger/mary ann debate. A over/ under toliet paper discussion. You get the idea.

Could even go two days or a week. Set the rules and time frame in advance.
But to me 24 hours is enough time to beat a dead horse. :smokingbo :smokingbo

[Wasch_24]

Sounds cool. :thumbsup:

[Slammer]

I like it.

[smokem94]

I like it toooooooooo!

[tobby4]

sure why not....

[allanf]

Sure, i'm all for discussion and elightenment.

[David]

I'll cast the 7th vote although I don't agree that the thread should be locked down at the end of 24 hours...keep in ongoing.

A "Debate Room"...I like.

[Black Dog]

Let's Do It! Who posts the issue? Anyone?

[The Prince]

I like the Ideal, Lock the thread after 24-48 hours. However, the mods. cannot delete posts during that period.

[allanf]

I"m not for deletion...If someone wants to make an ass of themselves, let the world see...

[Wasch_24]

LMAO Allan...I too am against revisionist history.

[The Prince]

John, you need to add a poll to the thread. It would make voting a lot easier.

[sunivy]

Sounds like a good idea

[Jwrussell]

Love it...............

[David]

Poll added.

David

[The Prince]

Even If everyone at BOTL.org agrees to add the room, are we going to be able to get 50 votes?

[Wasch_24]

For real, we barely get 70 for BOM.

[The Prince]

Maybe we should change the ground rules. How about 30 votes. Then, when the membership Increases, you can raise the number of needed votes.

[David]

Maybe we should change the ground rules. How about 30 votes. Then, when the membership Increases, you can raise the number of needed votes.

30 was discussed when the "The Cigar Box" was being developed but 50 it is.

[David]

Don't want to make it to easy do we? :wink:

[The Prince]

This Is going to take weeks.

[David]

This Is going to take weeks.

I agree...as it should.

[Wasch_24]

The point up for debate will be forgotten by then.

What's the reasoning for voting on the topic again?

Oh yeah, one other thing. Are we 100% sure we want guests browsing to see the flame wars that may erupt?

[David]

The point up for debate will be forgotten by then.

What's the reasoning for voting on the topic again?

Oh yeah, one other thing. Are we 100% sure we want guests browsing to see the flame wars that may erupt?

1. How will it be forgotten? The thread will be running here. Once the 50 required votes are reached, it will be locked and the forum created.

2. Voting again? If you mean the poll, then it is easier to see how many have voted. If you mean voting in general, it shows that a large portion of members support the forum. If the voting wasn't incorporated, you will be sitting in a room all by yourself called "Todd's Playground". Now would that be fun? :smokingbo

3. It will be a no flaming zone. Not sure where you go the idea that it will consists of flame wars. Even the author of this thread (John) commented on the civility of this board and that is what inspired him to start this idea.

In regards to the 50 votes...there must be a guideline that makes this challenging. If it is to easy to reach then that defeats the whole purpose of the "voting" system. We do not expect to have an idea reach the goal in a day...that's the whole point. If it is truly desired by the members of this board, then we guarantee you that 50 people will vote for it.

David

[David]

With that being said Todd, there are no guidelines that discourage you or others from PMing members about this thread or even linking it in a sigline. :wink:

[Wasch_24]

Oh, I was misunderstanding things...I didn;t realize the vote was just to start the room. I thought once the rooom was created we were voting on whether or not to start a debate.

I didn't mean to imply flames would happen but you never know.

I'm an idiot...sorry. I was doing like four things at once and got confused.

[David]

Oh, I was misunderstanding things...I didn;t realize the vote was just to start the room. I thought once the rooom was created we were voting on whether or not to start a debate.

I didn't mean to imply flames would happen but you never know.

I'm an idiot...sorry. I was doing like four things at once and got confused.

Aha...I see your misunderstanding. The 50 votes is to get this room created.

If and when it is up and running, there will be no voting on what topics/debates occur.

[Eric]

This has already turned into a debate room?! :rofl:

[tripp]

Debating on if to have a debate and when it would be and how long it will last.


Now that is civilized........

[Kingston]

I love having meetings about having meetings and I love planning to plan. :rolling:

[Black Dog]

I love having meetings about having meetings and I love planning to plan. :rolling:
Oh my God! For a minute there I thought I was still at work!

[Wasch_24]

LMAO @ Brian and Kingston!

[tripp]

Damn people......
Get voting.

[smokinafuente]

MMMmmmmmm..... Mary Ann........

[Kingston]

MMMmmmmmm..... Mary Ann........
You know, I don't know a single person that prefers Ginger over Mary Ann.

[tripp]

Hello Kingston, I would like to introduce myself, my name is John Tripp.

[Wasch_24]

LOL John, Mary Ann for me as well.

[Kingston]

Hello Kingston, I would like to introduce myself, my name is John Tripp.
You're the first!

[Hot_Sauce]

When I was 10 YO I prefered ginger but as time has past on I would rather have Mary Ann.

[tobby4]

yea it is going to take awhile for this to get approved... with only an average of 70 or so voting in BOTL of the Month it might take a few weeks for this to get off of the ground...

[Kingston]

I'm all for this as long as it remains civil and without any personal attacks.

[tripp]

I'm all for this as long as it remains civil and without any personal attacks.

I dont know, I see the mary ann/ Ginger debate becoming a barn burner.
:bouncetau :nodlaugh: :bouncetau

[tripp]

Seroiusly, I think with the way the gun discussion went we have proven that
we can exchange ideas here in an adult manner.
Yes adults do say things they regret later, but I hope with the time it takes to type it slows everybody down so that are more consious of what they are saying.

[The Prince]

This Is going to take weeks.


Let me change the above statement to months.

[Jwrussell]

Me thinks 50 might not be attainable with our current size and post quantities...

[Buckwheat]

After banging both Ginger and Mary Ann I have to say that GILF is over rated.

I'd like to table this discussion on the discussion room and send it back to committee for more debate and a committee vote to further debate on the discussion room or I'm going to filibuster the debate and interrupt voting until a three fifths majority can over rule the filibuster or we just change the rules. Either way I'll vote to form the room (or what ever).

[Jwrussell]

LMAO @ Buckwheat!

[Wasch_24]

For christs sake, I have traded with more people than this thing has votes!

[The Prince]

Vote people.

[tripp]

Damn people lets get this going.

[Kingston]

Damn people lets get this going.

Ok, I'll start. Beer drunk vs wine drunk vs liquor drunk.
Which is better? Which is the worst the day AFTER?
Wine drunk is great at the time, but you pay the price the next day. Liquor drunk really depends on the type, and Beer drunk is just plain gold ol' fun.
PS. I'm beer drunk.

[tripp]

Ok, I'll start. Beer drunk vs wine drunk vs liquor drunk.
Which is better? Which is the worst the day AFTER?
Wine drunk is great at the time, but you pay the price the next day. Liquor drunk really depends on the type, and Beer drunk is just plain gold ol' fun.
PS. I'm beer drunk.


Bottle, can or Draft??????

[JeffsJeep04]

TP under...all the way. As for visitors seeing flame wars...just make it a forum that can only be viewed after X amount of posts, or even once you register. Put me down for a yes!

[Eric]

Ok, I'll start. Beer drunk vs wine drunk vs liquor drunk.
Which is better? Which is the worst the day AFTER?
Wine drunk is great at the time, but you pay the price the next day. Liquor drunk really depends on the type, and Beer drunk is just plain gold ol' fun.
PS. I'm beer drunk.

Wine drunk is a mind drunk whereas a beer drunk is a total body drunk. And liquor drunk is a shit-faced drunk.

[Jwrussell]

Liquor Drunk all depends on the type and quality of liquor. Best example is Tequila. Get yourself shit-faced on some crap tequila and you'll be feeling it the entire next day, use the good stuff and you'll hardly feel it, if at all.

[tripp]

Good tequilla is your friend, bad tequilla is not your friend.

[The Prince]

18 votes to go.

[tobby4]

it all depends on the situation on the right kind of drunk....

and TP should cascade over the top....

[Jwrussell]

Bump. Come on folks vote!

[tripp]

16 to go!!!

[Poni]

can we send out a member wide PM?

[tripp]

Might be easier than a wide member pm......

[Poni]

hehehehe....

[The Prince]

This issue is slowing to a crawl.

[The Prince]

Let's break 40 over the weekend.

[Wasch_24]

Do we need 50 'yes' votes or just 50 votes total?

[David]

50 yes votes.

[Wasch_24]

Wow. That's gonna take a few infrequent posters to pass this then.

[Poni]

can i vote twice?

[tobby4]

man... we need to get this goin

[Eric]

I wonder how many more votes this poll would have if there was a "I don't care" option?

[Legends of the Playground]

Sounds like a decent idea. Just as long as you don't throw out stuff "Are you a pitcher or a catcher?" or "Do you prefer to be called a Pillow Biter or Butt Pirate?"

[The Prince]

I wonder how many more votes this poll would have if there was a "I don't care" option?


LOL. I don't know. Maybe not anymore, since many people find it difficult to click the mouse.

[JgButler]

Well I'll add one to the YES side. Haven't had to much time to spend on the boards recently, or I would have already had my vote in!

From the looks of things though, it looks like it might be a long wait for the remaining 10 votes. Me thinks :thinkidea 40 sounds like a good round number!

EDIT: Damn I just looked at the thread.:popeyes: There has been 1030 views and only 48 votes. Yep 40 sounds like a good place to call it good!!:yes:

[David]

10 more votes needed.

[RiverRat]

I debated with myself for a long time about voting in the poll for a debate room, but I finally won the debate with myself, and decided to vote.

Then I debated with myself for a long time on which way to vote...............:wtf:

If one debates oneself and loses, is one deranged? :closedmou:lookaroun:closedmou:lookaroun:sadstare: :wtf::skew:

[Wasch_24]

:rofl: RR

Only nine more yes votes needed.

[tripp]

If you would of voted no, then you are deranged.

[Eric]

When I saw CJ's a "very long running contest" in the Cigars forum, I thought maybe he was taking bets as to the date when we get 50 votes here :dunno:

[tripp]

My grandson is looking forward to being a part of that room when it created.

After he is created....

I crack myself up sometimes.

[RiverRat]

If you would of voted no, then you are deranged.

Yes, I voted.

No, I voted yes.

Yes, I voted yes.

I voted yes, no?

[Poni]

My grandson is looking forward to being a part of that room when it created.

After he is created....

I crack myself up sometimes.

Can you place his vote?

[N2Advnture]

I think that debate areas only create animosity between brothers, intentional or not. The written word is OFTEN misinterpreted and in a debate room, could easily done even more so - IMHO of course.

[allanf]

I think a good debate can be very healthy.

That being said, my recent experience on another board left me quite disgusted and discouraged. I think that we here on BOTL would not stoop to that level, but people are often very passionate about what they believe in.

[Hal]

I voted. I love a good debate but it always seems to be with someone who's totally wrong...

[The Prince]

Seven more votes.

[tripp]

We are in the home stretch now....

[tripp]

5 more votes.

[Bsslack]

I initially voted Yes for this and now feel like it might just Be another way to generate anamossity(sp) amongst members. I too have seen a seemingly civilized thread Spiral directly into the Gutter and leave no one untarnished. I've also seen BB's with debate rooms, go completely unused.

I too like a good give and take, but frequently many People only know how to "Give" and Then don't want to "Take". It's a sad thing when Member on Member bashing occurs and I feel We all could easily survive with out it.

How about a Warm Fuzzy Room or Puppy Pictures Room(Pet Room, bragging Area) Or a "Happiness is a Warm Gun" trading card Room?:p

You get my point, usually the Potitical extremes clash with no resolution and no results, except that Two more Brothers are not talking to each other anymore. :(

One of the Main Things I love about this Smaller Board, is that It's NOT Like the Other Boards.

That IMHO is a Very GOOD Thing!!


Sorry, If I rained on Anyones Parade, but it's the way I feel about this subject.

My 2 Bits!

Light 'Em Up!


slack

[tripp]

I think that we are a small group of adults that can take some stimulating conversation and some good natured ribbing..


I have only seen one thread go real bad, well it was two threads , one an offshoot of the other :shame: (SORRY! O.K.)
After that "incident" I spent some time reading about that person and talking to a friend of his and finally pm 'ing him about things, I see him differently.
I had thought we were opposites but the truth is we are cigar smokers

I think this group can handle a debate and I dont think most discussions will be earth saving matters. A coke vs Pepsi, a snickers vs milky way debate will come about many times over.

I think you can state your opinion without starting with the line..."you are an idiot and let me tell you why you are an idiot"

I am all for the debate just no personal attacks.

[joshua]

If/when this does happen, you probably should keep the sub-forum not visible to unregistered readers. There are some people out there that will search for that kind of stuff just to spam political messages and not really participate in the rest of the forum. Keeping it private means BOTLs can enjoy having a debate with eachother, without people who aren't even interested in cigars coming just to post there.

[Wasch_24]

Good point Joshua.

[Jwrussell]

VERY good point. Wow, only 4 more votes. That's cool. :thumbsup:

[tripp]

That is how I envision it as well.

[tobby4]

yea that is what we had discussed i thought? sounds like the best idea to me.....

and yes it is nice to see that we only need 4 more yes votes...

[Eric]

If/when this does happen, you probably should keep the sub-forum not visible to unregistered readers. There are some people out there that will search for that kind of stuff just to spam political messages and not really participate in the rest of the forum. Keeping it private means BOTLs can enjoy having a debate with eachother, without people who aren't even interested in cigars coming just to post there.

Good point, and as such - we will be initially opening the politics forum only to those who have voted yes in this poll. Then we will have it setup so you can subscribe at your discretion. While we have almost (and eventually will) get the 50 needed votes I can not turn a blind eye to 20% of the communities 'No' votes.

I think the way we will have it setup (1 day limit and lock, new topic everday, etc) is better than any implementation I've see so far on any forum. Long, overdrawn political discussions is usually when it starts gets too personal IMO. Ultimately, knowing the kind of standup brothers who are part of the community here - I see it being a success. :thumbsup:

[tripp]

This Is going to take weeks.

Many weeks.

[allanf]

Is there a time-out/expiration date? A vote that goes on forever?

Do we need a re-count?

[ryjexh4]

:thumbsup:

[Bsslack]

Several Valid points have been made in the "Control Area's".

With those concepts in place then I could easily support the measure.

My previous concerns were rooted in the "Fire and Forget" mentality of other places. If the above stated watch guards were in place then the previous Outside Flamer or Poison Pill factor would be neutralized, for a large part.

The Coke vs Crack debate not withstanding.

OOP's Coke vs Pepsi debate, my bad!;)


So, my Yes vote stands.




slack

[Jwrussell]

I think the way we will have it setup (1 day limit and lock, new topic everday, etc) is better than any implementation I've see so far on any forum. Long, overdrawn political discussions is usually when it starts gets too personal IMO. Ultimately, knowing the kind of standup brothers who are part of the community here - I see it being a success. :thumbsup:

Woah! Seriously? No offense, and I know that for the most part, the people that want this are probably the people who post on here the most, but I honestly have to say I'm not sure we have the traffic for a 1 day limit and lock. Take a look at the FairTax topic for instance. I think stating that letting them go on too long will lead to them getting too personal is not giving the brotherhood and membership here enough credit. :dunno:
I think we are all up to keeping things civil around here, and I'm sure you will have ready volunteers if you need another moderator for that particular part of the board. I say let's see how it goes before we go to something like stated above. Just MHO. :peace:

[Wasch_24]

Jason, the one day and lock was part of the deal from the get go, but It looks like the original poster has the ability to set the time. Or admin/mods...whatever works.

Since it has proven that we are a bunch of civil adults here...well for the most part, how about this idea.

A topic of the day.
Every day at mid night we post a topic and everybody here is given 24 hours to post thier thoughts and ideas on that matter. At the end of the day the topic is locked and you go on to the next topic.

It does not have to be anything serious. It could be a ginger/mary ann debate. A over/ under toliet paper discussion. You get the idea.

Could even go two days or a week. Set the rules and time frame in advance.
But to me 24 hours is enough time to beat a dead horse.

[Jwrussell]

Hmmm...It's been so long since we started this I forgot all about that. Is this still how we are thinking of running this? Somehow I had gotten the impression the idea for the room had somehow moved to more of a simple forum that would be used for debate on any controversial or not-so controversial (mary anne v ginger...I mean come on, is there really a choice there? :wink:) topics.
If we are going to stick to the original concept, who's posting topic? Is midnight the best time? Seems to be some logistical issues we might need to work through. :dunno:

[Kingston]

Good point, and as such - we will be initially opening the politics forum only to those who have voted yes in this poll. Then we will have it setup so you can subscribe at your discretion. While we have almost (and eventually will) get the 50 needed votes I can not turn a blind eye to 20% of the communities 'No' votes.

I think the way we will have it setup (1 day limit and lock, new topic everday, etc) is better than any implementation I've see so far on any forum. Long, overdrawn political discussions is usually when it starts gets too personal IMO. Ultimately, knowing the kind of standup brothers who are part of the community here - I see it being a success. :thumbsup:
This was the basis for my "Yes" vote. I don't want to see too many long drawn out arguments.

[Eric]

Woah! Seriously? No offense, and I know that for the most part, the people that want this are probably the people who post on here the most, but I honestly have to say I'm not sure we have the traffic for a 1 day limit and lock. Take a look at the FairTax topic for instance. I think stating that letting them go on too long will lead to them getting too personal is not giving the brotherhood and membership here enough credit. :dunno:
I think we are all up to keeping things civil around here, and I'm sure you will have ready volunteers if you need another moderator for that particular part of the board. I say let's see how it goes before we go to something like stated above. Just MHO. :peace:

As the original thread, it won't necessarily be just limited to one day (that was just an example). Maybe we can have each topic locked if there's been no response in the past 24 hours of each given topic. :dunno:

And it's not about not giving everyone enough credit, it's about moving on and helping curb a free-for-all attitude on beating a subject to death. Make your argument on the subject and move on. When things start drifting from your opinion vs. another's opinion is usually when debates go to a hell in a hand basket.

In any real-life formal debate, you do have time limits so I do not see what the problem is. I'd rather see each topic presented by moderation and a limit rather than having to moderate any discussion.

And while, yes most of the past debates have been mostly civil I have received private concerns from other brothers over them before. And they have always been the most heavily moderated threads.

[Jwrussell]

Point taken Vipe. I can live with the above. My main point is that I know some folks only stop in here a few times a week so setting the time limit too short wouldn't allow them to express their opinions. I'll be happy to go with the flow. :thumbsup:

[allanf]

As the original thread, it won't necessarily be just limited to one day (that was just an example). Maybe we can have each topic locked if there's been no response in the past 24 hours of each given topic. :dunno:

And it's not about not giving everyone enough credit, it's about moving on and helping curb a free-for-all attitude on beating a subject to death. Make your argument on the subject and move on. When things start drifting from your opinion vs. another's opinion is usually when debates go to a hell in a hand basket.

In any real-life formal debate, you do have time limits so I do not see what the problem is. I'd rather see each topic presented by moderation and a limit rather than having to moderate any discussion.

And while, yes most of the past debates have been mostly civil I have received private concerns from other brothers over them before. And they have always been the most heavily moderated threads.

I am all in favor of the time limit, especially if it is set by the thread originator.

I admire the way the members of this board conduct themselves and would not want to see this board deteriorate into a rambling stew.

Allan

[Jwrussell]

*Best Homer impersonation* Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm..aghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.. ..Rambling Stewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww...Aghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh....


:wink:

[Wasch_24]

To the top for two more votes! :thumbsup:

[tobby4]

Hell yea, we are getting there... i know we have had at least 2 people introduce themselves that need to get in here and vote....

[Halon]

Don't know why I didn't see this sooner. Vote casted!


TYLER

[Wasch_24]

Well, it only took four months but we finally made it! :blob:

[tripp]

:jitb: :jitb: :jitb: :jitb: :jitb: :jitb: :jitb: :jitb: :jitb:

Let the games begin!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Poni]

WAAHOOOO!!!


soo, should we debate on what the first debate should be?

[Wasch_24]

So, I guess we have to wait for the Administrators to wake up before we see the Debate room? :dunno:

[Eric]

So, I guess we have to wait for the Administrators to wake up before we see the Debate room? :dunno:

:dunno: It was Dave's idea so I'm assuming he'll have it setup sometime soon after he comes up with the details and guidelines.

FTR, I voted no.

[The Prince]

At long last.

[allanf]

Glad to see that this passed. Hope we stay civil.

[smokem94]

Glad to see that this passed. Hope we stay civil.
:angerFU: :angerFU: :riflefire :riflefire :riflefire :widemouth :assaultri :robinhood



OK JUST kidding! I couldn't resist! :eyebrow:

[allanf]

Ya, well....I've been burned by another board that shall remain nameless..But i know we are intelligent, fair-minded, resonable adults here... :thumbsup:

[geoffrie]

we are intelligent, fair-minded, resonable adults here... :thumbsup:

No name calling!

Already he's starting!

[allanf]

also reAsonable...oops.

[David]

Give me a few days to iron out the Guidelines for this one and talk with Eric about a couple of things.

David

[Wasch_24]

Oh...alright...I guess.

Sheesh, you'd think you were back to school already. :wink:

[David]

Sheesh, you'd think you were back to school already. :wink:

I am as of today.

[Wasch_24]

I figured as much. :thumbsup:

[David]

Room is created and this thread is closed. :grin: