Concealed Carry- Open discussion

[Texas Cop]

Allowed in your state? Yup
Do you? Not right now, in the position I am in, currently looking for a job, I:
a)am constantly going to places where I couldn't carry anyways
b)would prefer not to be in any situation that would jeopordize my career before it even starts (I can hear the arguments coming already, no I am not unprotected, I just don't carry a concealed handgun, if you get my meaning :-)
Favorite carry position? When I carry, I prefer crotch when wearing a shirt tucked in, hip with loose over shirt or shoot me vest, and chest when wearing a jacket..
Weapon retention, CQ shooting classes you've taken? Aside from academy training, Krav Maga retention training, trained with several IPSC and IDPA masters and grand master, I also shoot with a member of the ATFs SWAT equivilent here in Houston



Andrew

[segundo22]

Allowed in MS? HEll yes...right to carry state.

DO I..all of the time as well as in any state that I have reciprocity. I also am still a active commisioned law enforcement agent for the county.

Depends on what I am wearing and which firearm I decide to carry. really depends if I am solo or with the wife and kid and the destination of my trip.

Classes.. Marine Corp, MOS 0321, Force Recon Marine. I can shoot better that most ATF/Secret Service.

ps ..you come to MS I will teach you to shoot of fight for Cigars..lol..


Seg...

[Black Dog]

My state is "shall issue" and I am licensed. With that and one other non-res license I'm legal in 30 states.

Do I?: I'll answer this here but generally I'm like N2 and don't disclose it. I carry 99% of the time outside of work.

Carry Method: I carry two types of pistols in varius sizes which I switch between depending on weather and other circumstances. I'm very familiar with the actions of both types and have the same brand holster worn in the same position for both. The holster I use is Milt Sparks Versa Max II. It's IWB, canted and positioned at 4:00. I usually conceal with an untucked shirt of jacket. The VMII can also be used as a tuckable.

Classes/Training: I've never had weapons retention training but would like to. I have taken several handgun defense courses near where I live at a range and by an instructor that normally does training for several government agencies. Until recently I got range time in 2 to 3 times a month.

[Texas Cop]

As far as the do I question, wasn't looking for specifics on when and where, just do you take advantage of the law...

Seg, any time you wanna come down to Texas, we can do it right...Shoot for the day, have a huge BBQ afterwards, then drink and smoke till we pass out (after the guns are locked of course)...When were you in the Corps? Our Academy Director was FR in Vietnam....

Andrew

[ElkTwin]

Yes and yes.

[1f1fan]

Yes

I took a class at the Personal Protection Institute here in Richmond and used to shoot IDPA regularly. I need to get back into it, its a lot of fun.

And I carry an HK USP 9 C in a NSA II IWB

[Jwrussell]

Yes, no, IDPA is the closest to training I've come other than the basics in ROTC.

Keep meaning to get the license but just haven't gotten around to it. Unfotunately it makes the wife nervous anyway, so not sure how much carrying I would be doing even if I had the license, but I would really like to have the option.

At this point, back hip with loose shirt/jacket over if I was carrying. Would prefer IWB once I loose a few pounds and pick up that type holster.

[RiverRat]

Yes. and yup.

I have several that I carry depending on circumstances.

This is one of my favorites...

http://www.clipdraw.com/images/1911belt.jpg
No holster needed!

[Halon]

I'm definitely gonna get one when I'm out of college. One of my relatives is Air Force and has a .38 special he carries around with a laser pointer on it. I don't know how much I'd ever need it here, but if I move anywhere else I'd definitely look into it.


TYLER

[David]

I'm definitely gonna get one when I'm out of college. One of my relatives is Air Force and has a .38 special he carries around with a laser pointer on it. I don't know how much I'd ever need it here, but if I move anywhere else I'd definitely look into it.


TYLER

Laser sight...not laser pointer. :smt018 :smt018 :smt018

:mrgreen:

[Texas Cop]

Laser emmiting target designator if you wanna get technical.... :smt098


Andrew

[Halon]

lol. I totally meant to type sight, but thinking of the laser sight made me think of the laser pointer in my desk, and then I started playing with it, and.....

whoops.


TYLER

[Texas Cop]

and then I started playing with it, and.....

whoops.

Now that sounds like a good sig line...


Andrew

[hawkan2580]

Nope ... don't carry, don't own and don't need one...

Training.. stacks.. military training.. ak47, ak5, sig were the weapons I got my training on..... I am licenced to own and carry guns but don't.

I know I get my head bashed on this one but anyway.. freedom of speach (applicable) and all that will allow me do stand by my conviction and express them ha ha:

I am a believer in the fact that the less guns there are out there in public.. the less armed robbery, passion murders etc there is in a society...

don't get me wrong guys.. I am not preaching my convictions onto anyone.. just stating them calmly and letting it be with that....and I have to admit.. being a good marksman with an ak5 is quite fun.... and I understand the feeling of holding a gun and knowing how to use it.. so it is merely a difference in societies.. where I'm from, a knife stabbing makes first page headlines...

so the everyday need to carry a gun for self protection is something that I am lucky enough not having to worry about....(touch wood).. and I think that the risk of something happening because I would be carrying is greater then if I don't carry in this society, so I choose not to. Thinks might have been different if I lived elsewere.

[segundo22]

There are some funny numbers inthe US that different than OZ. In states and cities that guns are not allowed to be carried or you have to jump through so many hoops that it is not worth it, crime is some of the highent inthe US. New York, Baltimore, Philidelphia, etc.

Here is also a town in The Mid west that crime was rising rapantly. There was a mandate by the city council that anyone could carry a concelaed or unconcealed firemarm. Crime dropped to zero over the next two years. Althought the city was a small one with about 45,000 residents is would be an interesting study in a lrger medium, I will try and find the study online and post the link.



Seg..

[hawkan2580]

One last post then it is back to the original topic...

I don't doubt that you have less crime overall.. however, at the same time you have more gun related injuries and deaths... I see a question of..if I have a weapon and get robbed.. do my availability to use a weapon increase or decrease my (and the robbers) chances of getting through that alive? If someone breaks into your house with the knowledge of that you are likely to have a gun.. do you think they are more or less likely to be jumpy in how they use their gun in comparison to places where only 1% or so have a gun at home?

regarding stats.. you can prove whatever you like with stats... very seldom do stats give the full picture... as with the above scenario.. your crime rate may have dropped, but have the medical treatment of gun related crime/accidents increased? .. myself.. I let the robber take what he wants..that is one reason I have home insurance.. to not have to risk my and my family's life..

Ok, back to topic!!!

[Jwrussell]

I can agree with some of what you say Hawk, but on the "If someone breaks into your house with the knowledge of that you are likely to have a gun.. do you think they are more or less likely to be jumpy in how they use their gun in comparison to places where only 1% or so have a gun at home?"
I think they are less likely to break in if they believe the house they are going into will have a gun. Most home robberies, and I mean MOST, occur with no one home. Robbers don't want confrontation. One reason that the best home defense is a nice large, loud, dog. :)

[Texas Cop]

do my availability to use a weapon increase or decrease my (and the robbers) chances of getting through that alive?

That is where the training comes into question Hawk...If you have been properly trained on the whens, wheres, and how tos of your firearm, your chances of survival increase exponentially....However, if you have no idea what you are doing, and you draw a weapon, chances are you are going to cause the situation to turn against you quicker...

If someone breaks into your house with the knowledge of that you are likely to have a gun.. do you think they are more or less likely to be jumpy in how they use their gun

Crooked men, like rivers take the path of least resistance...If have two likely marks, one they have reason to believe is armed, one they have reason to believe is unarmed, they will choose the unarmed mark more often than not.


Andrew

[segundo22]

Well I will just say this--- as a SF Marine Recon, people fear me. I fear no man. Someone screws with my family they die on my property.



Seg..

[Jwrussell]

Or your cigars, right Seg? ;)

[Texas Cop]

If you are found here tonite, you will be found here in the morning...


Andrew

[Black Dog]

For myself, as a US citizen, one of the reasons I choose to carry concealed is that I can. I am simply exercising my right to keep and bear arms as guaranteed by the Second Amendment to our Consitution. I'm an average guy of average size and strength. I pose no threat to anyone who poses no threat to me. I don't live in fear that I'll be robbed or attacked, in fact, my lifestyle is pretty tame these days and I rarely find myself in any place or situation where that would be likely to occur.
However, things can and do happen. I am not afraid that my kitchen will catch fire or that my house will be destroyed by a tornado but I keep fire extinguishers around and insurance on my home. I don't fear that I or someone else will be injured in my house, yard or shop but I keep an extensive first aid kit on hand and have an adequate knowledge of emergency medical treatment. In short, I feel that I should prepare myself as best I can for all the things that can happen in life however unlikely they may be. I don't know who wrote it but when it comes to guns I wholeheartedly agree with the statement: "I'd rather carry a gun all my life and never need it, than never carry a gun and need it one time".
As for stastitics, I agree that it's possible to find and/or present them in such a way as to "prove" any position you choose. I can say however that having lived and worked in the Washington DC metropolitan area for 22 years, the violent crime rates of DC and Suburban MD are shocking when compared with Virginia just across the river.
I'm stepping off my soapbox now.
Next!

[Mississippi Rifleman]

What Segundo22 said....


I live in Mississippi, but I have a FL CWP because it always me to carry in bunch of other states.

I carry all the time except when I'm at work because I work for a defense contractor on a secure military facility.

I carry either my SIG or Glock in a Milt Sparks EX or in a Roma waist band.

I've trained with the Army, FR&I with Steve Silverman (we shot quals and I passed FBI, US Marshals, ATF and JUST missed Air Marshal) and shot IDPA.

As my online name says, I'm better with a rifle. Just like Quigley. Shot expert for Army so I can hit ya out to 1200 meters. :smile:

[coastalwader]

I recently read a decent piece about why people from the US and Australia who share very similar beliefs about most things, differ about gun control. It was interesting. I wish like hell I could find it! LOL

[hawkan2580]

Coastalwader.. the Aussie in general are liberal in regards to gun control.. try Sweden where I'm from... one of the stringest gun control laws there is...

I agree with your reasoning in general Windowrx. I just don't seem to see the logic in my situation to need one.. if I get robbed.. well, I have insurance covering that.. If I get into a fight.. 98% of the population wouldn't be carrying.. as possession of an unlicenced gun is punished very hard.. and the criminals know this.. they also know that the chance of them encounter someone with a gun is next to nothing when doing a break and enter for example, so they choose not to carry since the sentence is about 4 times longer if it is an armed robbery... so the whole situation is somewhat diffused down to a level where both parties survives.

In my house hold, there is nothing they can take that I cannot replace (the insurance is new for old in theft claims) that they would want to take.. I mean.. they are not going to go for my photo albums etc.. and if they want to take my 3 year old TV.. go for it.. I get a brand new one ha ha...

I am very aware of your second ammendment and believe me, I don't preach that you guys are wrong.. far from it. If I lived over there... I probably would be carrying too...

Here, however... even if I legally can.. since no one else really is.. why should I?

[Mississippi Rifleman]

Carry for the other 2% that is. Also, what does a criminal care if he breaks ANOTHER law? Also, I would be worry about that dude with a knife too.

[Texas Cop]

Knives are bad, bad news! I don't care who you are, in a knife fight, chances are damned good you are going to get cut....Me no likey knives (been stabbed twice, cut several times)...Course I do always have one on me...

Andrew

[Mississippi Rifleman]

I carry so much shit that if I fell overboard, I'm going straight to the bottom. Bringing a knife to a gun fight is a good idea if its close. You'd be surprised how much distance a person with a knife can make in the time it takes to draw your weapon. But, thats why you learn to fire from retention.

[Texas Cop]

I wasn't disputing the value of edged weapons, just saying that I really despise them when they are being used against me ;-)


Andrew

[Mississippi Rifleman]

I wasn't disputing the value of edged weapons, just saying that I really despise them when they are being used against me ;-)


Andrew

Oh yea, I know. It was just a general comment to the congregation! :smt001

[tobby4]

getting my permit to carry next week... then i will be on the market for a nice .45 ....... or i might raid my dads aresonal and borrow one of his until i make up my mind..

[Texas Cop]

Next question here, what are the annual, semi-annual, whatever, fees associated with holding a CHL in your state?

Andrew

[tedski]

I don't carry a gun ... unless it's in a locked case and I'm headed to the range. The area where I live is fairly safe and violent crime is low. If I was in a job that required me to haul around valuable items (cash, jewels, precious metals), then I might consider it.

I do own a couple pistols and a rifle, but they are for target shooting with friends. For home defense I have a 12 guage pump shotgun.

[Black Dog]

$70.00 every 5 years

[Mississippi Rifleman]

$50 every 6 years. FL.

[dmoby]

$45 every 4 years, Don't think you will find too many people in Nevada that doesn't have their CCW.

[Jwrussell]

MR, FL=Federal Liscence? Or are you meaning FL=Florida? Cuase if that's the case I'm way off base...I thought Florida was in the $175 range (though that may just be the initial setup). And it's good for something like 5 years...don't remember exactly.

[Black Dog]

FLorida Non-Resident is $170 for five years. It's the best deal going for non-resident licenses since they have reciprocity with so many states. You do need a passport type photo, notary and fingerprints done by a local law enforcement agency.

[Jwrussell]

I'm a resident though, and I don't remember hearing there was a difference...

[Black Dog]

Go to www.packing.org and check the FL page. It will tell you what the latest fees and duration are. Also, I goofed on the $170. It's actually $117. Sorry!

[Jwrussell]

I'll look into it. THat may be misleading. I think their are some other fees that are applicable that aren't strickly a "liscence" fee.