Willie busted again

[WARDOGG]

I normally don't add my .02 cents to discussions like this when it involves my job but I thought I would this time.

No disagreement there. I just hate that it's border patrol and frankly they should be more worried about protecting our borders than some guy in a tour bus smoking a little dope.

Clearly they've run out of illegals to snatch up, so they're onto busting Willie Nelson. Glad they're doing such a great job protecting our borders from the dangers of willie nelson.

Let's see 6 oz. or the thousands of pounds that come across the border everyday. Willie was an easy bust not let's really bust someone doing something.

We do. Everyday.

Everyday the Border Patrol detains or arrests, easily a hundred people who are carrying anything from personal use to several thousand pounds of Narcotics. He just happened to be one those people out of the that single day.

Did you hear about the any of the larger apprehensions that occured that same day? No. However, there were several. Did you hear about any of the smaller apprehensions that happened that day? No. However, there were several to include at the same check point where he was arrested.

You heard about his, simply because he's famous.

Any given day in this country any where from a thousand pounds to a literal ton of narcotics are seized by us. That includes everything from personal use to transporting with the intent of distribute. Does it normally make the news? Not usually. Even when they try to kill us for it. Which ladies and gents happens more then you will ever know.

You want to see what we do everyday, other then whats shown on Tv or what you think we do? Go to the nearest Border Patrol Sector head quarters or look up their number in the phone book, ask for their Public Information Office or community relations officers. They'll be more then happy to give you information, statistics, etc... and/or take you on a ride along or Border Tour.



****Disclaimer****

Yes. I am a Border Patrol Agent. I have been for close to ten years. I've arrested everyone from United States Citizens (USC's) to illegal aliens with anything from personal use to several hundred pounds of narcotics (Yes Marijuana included). I've also been assaulted, shot at, almost stabbed and almost run over by everyone from a USC to an illegal alien of varying ages (12-73) for trying to take away their personal use Marijuana and/or several hundred pounds of Marijuana. So, yes I am a little biased.

Everything stated is my personal opinion, to include statistics. It is no way an offical stance, represantion or statement for the Border Patrol.

 

[Greg]

Maybe I'm in the minority here, but why should he be treated differently than anyone else caught with 6oz of pot? Yeah, he's a legend, but that shouldn't make him unanswerable for breaking the law.

I agree. Lock that boy up.

 

[Cigar Cowboy]

Hi Greg

The last time Greg was screaming "Free Willie" he was in a bar and he had no takers.

 

[Greg]

Hi Greg

The last time Greg was screaming "Free Willie" he was in a bar and he had no takers.

'cept for your mama.

 

[Treinenwj]

Well said Wardogg.
Greg, your argument assumes the border patrol agents think marijuana should be legal. Where did you get that?

EDIT: nevermind, Greg. Looks like you took your statement out.

 

[Cigar Cowboy]

'cept for your mama.

:hysterica:hysterica:hysterica

 

[Greg]

Well said Wardogg.
Greg, your argument assumes the border patrol agents think marijuana should be legal. Where did you get that?

EDIT: nevermind, Greg. Looks like you took your statement out.

:grinFU:

Arresting old men with pot....this is a good idea.

 

[Hot_Sauce]

Last time he got busted. The morning radio show guys I listen to were cracking jokes about what an easy target he is.

"You know Roscoe we need to make a bust really bad as our quota is just about up. Hey isn't that the Willie Nelson tour Bus? Let's go bust him!!"

 

[Ed Monton]

Free Willie!!!

LMAO Was about to post the same thing before I saw your post.

 

[Greg]

Last time he got busted. The morning radio show guys I listen too were cracking jokes about what an easy target he is.

"You know Roscoe we need to make a bust really bad as our quota is just about up. Hey isn't that the Willie Nelson tour Bus? Let's go bust him!!"

:rofl:

 

[tobii3]

Last time he got busted. The morning radio show guys I listen to were cracking jokes about what an easy target he is.

"You know Roscoe we need to make a bust really bad as our quota is just about up. Hey isn't that the Willie Nelson tour Bus? Let's go bust him!!"

Considering Toby Keith has a song about "Smokin Weed with Willie"...Willie was in the movie "HalfBaked" as an old stoner...

Come to think of it, this ain't the first time, nor will it be the last time, for Willie and weed.

Any of y'all old enough to remember what the IRS did to him?

 

[Asher]

This is a bit off-topic, but I noticed that Willie wasn't arrested at the border, but at an interior checkpoint. I don't understand how the courts allow these checkpoints, which are flagrant violations of the Fourth Amendment. (No offense intended to WARDOGG and the other BP agents protecting our borders: you guys are just doing your jobs.)

When I went off to college, I drove from Southern California to Northern California in a small U-Haul truck. I was stopped at the checkpoint on I-5 north of Oceanside, where my truck was searched without a warrant. It still pisses me off to think about it. I wasn't doing anything wrong, and there was no probable cause, but I was ordered to open up the back of the truck anyway. Our Founding Fathers would be horrified to see what goes on at these checkpoints, inside the United States, a hundred miles from an international border.

 

[WARDOGG]

This is a bit off-topic, but I noticed that Willie wasn't arrested at the border, but at an interior checkpoint. I don't understand how the courts allow these checkpoints, which are flagrant violations of the Fourth Amendment. (No offense intended to WARDOGG and the other BP agents protecting our borders: you guys are just doing your jobs.)

When I went off to college, I drove from Southern California to Northern California in a small U-Haul truck. I was stopped at the checkpoint on I-5 north of Oceanside, where my truck was searched without a warrant. It still pisses me off to think about it. I wasn't doing anything wrong, and there was no probable cause, but I was ordered to open up the back of the truck anyway. Our Founding Fathers would be horrified to see what goes on at these checkpoints, inside the United States, a hundred miles from an international border.

No offense taken but be prepared to read and do some research.

All immigration checkpoints are well within the scope of the fourth amendment. Most people don't truly understand the 4th ammendment so they believe that checkpoints are in direct violation of it. The Supreme Court on several instances has determined and upheld that Immigration checkpoints are completly legal. The law is well-settled that Border Patrol Agents may stop every vehicle passing through an operational immigration checkpoint, even in the absence of any individualized suspicion regarding the vehicle or its occupants. The case law citing this is as follows.

U.S. v. Martinez-Fuerte, 428 U.S. 543, 562 (1976); U.S. v. Badilla, 383 F.3d 1137 (10th Cir. 2004), vacated on other grounds, 543 U.S. 1098 (2005); U.S. v. Benitez, 899 F.2d 995, 997 (10th Cir. 1990); U.S. v. Garcia, 616 F.2d 210 (5th Cir. 1980); accord, Michigan v. Sitz, 496 U.S. 444 (1990)(initial stop at sobriety checkpoint); but see, U.S. v. Rodriguez, 76 F.Supp.2d 740 (W.D.Tex. 1999)(directing motorist to stop at a closed checkpoint requires “reasonable suspicion”); U.S. v. Alvarado-Ramirez, 975 F.Supp. 906 (W.D.Tex. 1997)(if the checkpoint is down, any vehicle stops require “reasonable suspicion”); U.S. v. Sarinana-Guerra, 882 F.Supp. 101 (S.D.Tex. 1994)(roving patrol unit may not convert itself into a checkpoint simply by stopping traffic at the checkpoint site when the checkpoint is down); cf., People v. Valenzuela, 28 Cal.App.4th 817, 33 Cal.Rptr.2d 802 (1994)(immigration checkpoint rules inapplicable where BPAs observe traffic at state agricultural checkpoint; any detention or referral requires “reasonable suspicion”).

Most case decisions were made by the courts interpreting Section 287(a)(3) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA), as amended; Title 8, United States Code, Section 1357(a)(3).

Long story short, look up US -v- Martinez-Fuerte and the INA section 287 (a)(3).

Subsection 1357(a)(3), as interpreted by the courts, permits, in the course of the patrol function, access to private lands, without warrant, within 25 miles of the border, and the boarding and searching of conveyances, including the operation of immigration checkpoints, “within a reasonable distance from any external boundary of the United States.” By regulation at 8 CFR 287.1, this “reasonable distance” is generally considered to be 100 air miles, but the regulation permits variances from that distance. Further, the 100-mile rule relates solely to boarding and searching conveyances pursuant to subsection 1357(a)(3) and does not constitute a geographic limitation upon the exercise of other Border Patrol enforcement authorities such as the authority to question individuals or to make arrests for violations of federal law.

Also. To secondary someone, Agents need mere suspicion not Probable cause. To search a vehicle, the Agent needs probable cause not a warrant.

Question for you. You said there was no probable cause? How do you know? Or are you just assuming there wasn't because you're a law abbiding citizen?

Do you know how many united States Citizen college kids, who have no prior criminal record, driving U-haul trucks or vehicles are arrested every year for smuggling narcotics and/or illegal aliens? Quite a few. It's easy money for them.


****DISCLAIMER****
Everything stated is my personal opinion, to include statistics. Case law cited is simply what I know and what I've been taught. My posts are in no way an offical stance, represantion or statement for the Border Patrol.

 

[Clint]

What, he should be above the law because he sang some crappy music?
Bulls**t. You break the law, you get a consequence...Period.

Not to mention the tax evasion....Everyone pays taxes, Willie...Get over it. You're not any different than anyone else because your "famous".

 

[Clint]

This is a bit off-topic, but I noticed that Willie wasn't arrested at the border, but at an interior checkpoint. I don't understand how the courts allow these checkpoints, which are flagrant violations of the Fourth Amendment. (No offense intended to WARDOGG and the other BP agents protecting our borders: you guys are just doing your jobs.)

When I went off to college, I drove from Southern California to Northern California in a small U-Haul truck. I was stopped at the checkpoint on I-5 north of Oceanside, where my truck was searched without a warrant. It still pisses me off to think about it. I wasn't doing anything wrong, and there was no probable cause, but I was ordered to open up the back of the truck anyway. Our Founding Fathers would be horrified to see what goes on at these checkpoints, inside the United States, a hundred miles from an international border.

If you had nothing to hide, why do you care? Did it make you late for an appointment? Did you endure "pain and suffering"? So your vehicle got searched and you went on your way....Big deal!

What if you had 1.000 ponds of crack in that U Haul? Then would it be "okay" in your view?

These people are just doing thie jobs...It's not personal, dude

 

[ciggy]

I'm with you EVP. He broke the law, and he got caught. They can't, or at least shouldn't look the other way just because he's famous.

Yea...I have to agree as well. However I do like Willie and to be honest I believe pot should just be legal anyways.

 

[Cigar Cowboy]

What, he should be above the law because he sang some crappy music?

Crappy music? Blasphemy

 

[Bass man]

What, he should be above the law because he sang some crappy music?
Bulls**t. You break the law, you get a consequence...Period.

Not to mention the tax evasion....Everyone pays taxes, Willie...Get over it. You're not any different than anyone else because your "famous".

Obama's treasury secretart Geitner didn't pay his taxes until he got nominated & the reporters dug it up. He didn't get arrested.

 

[Greg]

Somebody, please, smoke a fatty for this legend today. eace:

 

[BesstR]

What, he should be above the law because he sang some crappy music?
Bulls**t. You break the law, you get a consequence...Period.

Not to mention the tax evasion....Everyone pays taxes, Willie...Get over it. You're not any different than anyone else because your "famous".

I do not believe Willie complained he said it was his weed. Yes, he did not pay his taxes and they auctioned off all of his stuff. Half of your government officials have not paid their taxes either. The ones Obama put in positions at least did not pay either. When did they hold their auctions to sell their stuff.

I break the law every day by spending do you? No body is above the law. The should pay for their crimes.