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Lst night I experienced my first unsmokeable cigar. Unfortunately, it was a cc (Montecristo Edmundo). At first everything seemed normal. The draw was a little firm but not bad. After a few draws, the middle of the cap drew out. Almost like I had pulled out a drain plug. There was visible hole in the middle like it had been bored out. The cigar became unsmokeable at this point. The draw was loose and the burn was unlike anything I've ever experienced. Much to my chagrin, I had to put it out. Has anyone ever had this happen before? I'm thinking it was a flaw in the construction.
 

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Dan, it's the "Human Factor" and because of that it could and will happen from time to time to the best cigars and cheapest cigars on the market.
 
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....."hand made" and what Larry said the "human factor". I've had to pitch a few much to my disappointment. The majority of them being cc's.
 
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i have an entire box of cc (2000 slr lonsdales) that smoke this way...it's disappointing but i've found the same problem on many other sticks in my past...don't let a plug or one bad stick turn you away from trying things thrice.
 

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Like everybody says, it’s the human factor. But when the bad contraction is consistent though one or more boxes of a cigar then I get pisst. I become unruly I get to sweating it just becomes uncontrollable I turn green it’s like someone is pouring acid in my brain auh auh auh auh!!!
 

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Like everybody says, it’s the human factor. But when the bad contraction is consistent though one or more boxes of a cigar then I get pisst. I become unruly I get to sweating it just becomes uncontrollable I turn green it’s like someone is pouring acid in my brain auh auh auh auh!!!
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This does seem to occur much more with cc's than with nc's.
From what I've been told, Cuban trained rollers who learned shortly after the revolution (or obviously from someone who did) use this style of rolling. Typically, IME, these cigars are more properly constructed than others. I must say though, these "divots" are never 1" long. That is a construction failure, not an effect of a rolling style.
 

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I'm not joking when I say that about 1/2 of my ccs have had such serious constructions issues that, had they been a typical cigar, I'd have pitched them. But since my experience with these is limited, I smoked them anyway.

Seriously, though, 1/2. Exploding wrappers, plugged sticks, tobacco that literally looked green, large pieces of wood (i.e. stems) when you cut the cap, etc. All of these came from brothers too, not Mexican gas stations or what not.
 

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NJ, I think you've had bad luck or bad suppliers. There's no way that 1/2 of all the Cuban cigars I've smoked in my life have had "serious construction issues". A slightly runny wrapper, an ugly color, a firm draw; yes. Major problems, perhaps 5%? 10% MAX??? And that's factoring in years that have been famous for poor construction.

I don't mean for this to be a personal reflection but I think that sometimes problems with the occasional Cuban cigar can come from a N/C smoking method. Something packed with ligero or 'sturdy' tobacco (can't describe it any other way; think LFD or Camacho) can take a lot of abuse. A lot of traditional Cuban blends just aren't meant to be inhaled in 30 minutes or handled aggressively. Try being a little more delicate and see if that makes a difference.
 

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NJ, I think you've had bad luck or bad suppliers. There's no way that 1/2 of all the Cuban cigars I've smoked in my life have had "serious construction issues". A slightly runny wrapper, an ugly color, a firm draw; yes. Major problems, perhaps 5%? 10% MAX??? And that's factoring in years that have been famous for poor construction.

I don't mean for this to be a personal reflection but I think that sometimes problems with the occasional Cuban cigar can come from a N/C smoking method. Something packed with ligero or 'sturdy' tobacco (can't describe it any other way; think LFD or Camacho) can take a lot of abuse. A lot of traditional Cuban blends just aren't meant to be inhaled in 30 minutes or handled aggressively. Try being a little more delicate and see if that makes a difference.
I would have to agree with that assessment, Craig. Even though I have had a run of bad luck with plugged smokes lately, when I average it out over many, many years and think of the number smoked, it is probably ~10%. A bad box can skew it for a time, but it evens out.
 

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Well, it's good to hear that I just have bad luck ... well, kind of, lol. I smoke very slowly, so that's not the issue.
 
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