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We all know that the US has an embargo with Cuba. Aside from that primitive debate, we in the US can not go to a cigar shop an buy Cuban cigars, this is a no brainer. I am just curious about the day to day experiences around the world of what cigars you see outside of the US in a cigar shop. Post here what you would would see stocked in your local B&M outside of the US, I am just curious about it, taxes and prices exempt. I just wonder what it is like to walk into a cigar shop in another country.
 
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If Cuban cigars were available in the US I would be happy to see just the regular production cigars. Maybe some regional releases occasionally. I'm not the smoker that needs the best, newest, shiniest products. Just give me the good value, well constructed, marcas and I'll be happy.

Oh yeah, thinner ring gauges preferred.
 

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I've had a couple Cubans and so far I'm not so impressed. Compared to the ones I've had I think what we have available here is just as good if not better. After talking to a couple dealers about Cubans they said the same thing. As long as the tabacco used is from cuban seed it doesn't matter where it was grown.
 
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I have easy access to many of the mainstream CCs at the local B&Ms, but lately I've been wishing they would stock more of the NCs that everyone here talks about. I guess it's a case of the grass being greener on the other side of the border
 

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I've had a couple Cubans and so far I'm not so impressed. Compared to the ones I've had I think what we have available here is just as good if not better. After talking to a couple dealers about Cubans they said the same thing. As long as the tabacco used is from cuban seed it doesn't matter where it was grown.
The dealers you are talking to don't sell cuban cigars do they? kind of a biased opinion if you ask me. ifthey tell you a habano wrapper means it takes like a cuban, they are blowing smoke.
 

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I've had a couple Cubans and so far I'm not so impressed. Compared to the ones I've had I think what we have available here is just as good if not better. After talking to a couple dealers about Cubans they said the same thing. As long as the tabacco used is from cuban seed it doesn't matter where it was grown.
Huh?

Like DPrice said, just because tobacco is grown from "Cuban seed" does not make it Cuban...Huge difference!

And if a cigar diistributor/dealer says he can get his hands on Cuban cigars, I would be extremely wary.


...Just my two cents!
 

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you could take "cuban" seeds and plant them in the us, hond, nic, dr and cuba and i dare say they would all taste a little different.
but it seems like the most desired cigar is the one you can't have!!!
 

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Smokes are so expensive here in Canada that I rarely buy em locally. I know enough people making trips south of the border that I can usually get all the cigars I need that way. Are Cubans really better than a good Nicaraguan? I don't think so... Not for the money we have to pay here anyway.
 
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Hi from Bali,
Our outlet store here sells a full range of Cuban and Indonesian Cigars with a smattering of Honduran, Dominican and Nicaraguans for good measure. We are located in Kuta, Bali, Indonesia and our first floor is dedicated to cigars and pipes and our second floor to a very comfortable smoking bar/lounge. I think you would be quite at home in our shop.

As for the debate on cuban quality I would only suggest that some of the best cigars in the world come from Cuba and some of the worst cigars in the world come from Cuba. Just last week I smoked a COHIBA Maduro robusto size and a Montecristo Limited Edition double corona size and I would say they were two of the worst smokes I have ever had! Both were so badly rolled they were akin to smoking a brick! I find that 3 to 5 sticks in every box of Cubans I open now are unsmokable. I believe nothing will crash faster than the myth of cuban quality once El Norte ends the embargo. Don't get me wrong I love a well rolled Trinidad Robusto Extra and the cigars of Vegas Robaina are truly exceptional but the vast majority of the others are of little interest to me. As someone said earlier, nothing tastes better than something that is forbidden.

China is adding a lot of demand pressures to the cuban market but remember that 90% or cigars purchased in China are bought as gifts by someone who has no intention of ever smoking a cigar! They want the most expensive cigar because they are buying favors and it is about face not quality. I never saw as many fake romeo and juliettas anywhere as I saw in shanghai a few months back. The State Tobacco Monopoly will tell you themselves that this is the case but the demand in China is so huge even when only half of the sticks are legitimate they are a big demand issue for Cuban producers. And you haven't lived til you have smoked a chinese piece of brown paper rolled "tobacco". I would never insult a stoagie by calling those chinese things a cigar!

Having lived a few years in Honduras I would add to the comment that cuban seed does not a cuban make, that stealing the brand of a cuban family does not make a fine cuban cigar making family tradition. Look to the true cuban families of Honduras and Nicaragua if you want fine cigar making tradition not to Havana collectives. Once upon a time Cuba was a paradise of great stoagie makers, that cuba died in the 50's and though some Spanish money and marketing has tried to revitalize it, it is easy to debate whether or not they have succeeded.. Just my humble opinion of course and plenty of things to debate here. Smoke on, Balibob
 

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Hi from Bali,
Our outlet store here sells a full range of Cuban and Indonesian Cigars with a smattering of Honduran, Dominican and Nicaraguans for good measure. We are located in Kuta, Bali, Indonesia and our first floor is dedicated to cigars and pipes and our second floor to a very comfortable smoking bar/lounge. I think you would be quite at home in our shop.

As for the debate on cuban quality I would only suggest that some of the best cigars in the world come from Cuba and some of the worst cigars in the world come from Cuba. Just last week I smoked a COHIBA Maduro robusto size and a Montecristo Limited Edition double corona size and I would say they were two of the worst smokes I have ever had! Both were so badly rolled they were akin to smoking a brick! I find that 3 to 5 sticks in every box of Cubans I open now are unsmokable. I believe nothing will crash faster than the myth of cuban quality once El Norte ends the embargo. Don't get me wrong I love a well rolled Trinidad Robusto Extra and the cigars of Vegas Robaina are truly exceptional but the vast majority of the others are of little interest to me. As someone said earlier, nothing tastes better than something that is forbidden.

China is adding a lot of demand pressures to the cuban market but remember that 90% or cigars purchased in China are bought as gifts by someone who has no intention of ever smoking a cigar! They want the most expensive cigar because they are buying favors and it is about face not quality. I never saw as many fake romeo and juliettas anywhere as I saw in shanghai a few months back. The State Tobacco Monopoly will tell you themselves that this is the case but the demand in China is so huge even when only half of the sticks are legitimate they are a big demand issue for Cuban producers. And you haven't lived til you have smoked a chinese piece of brown paper rolled "tobacco". I would never insult a stoagie by calling those chinese things a cigar!

Having lived a few years in Honduras I would add to the comment that cuban seed does not a cuban make, that stealing the brand of a cuban family does not make a fine cuban cigar making family tradition. Look to the true cuban families of Honduras and Nicaragua if you want fine cigar making tradition not to Havana collectives. Once upon a time Cuba was a paradise of great stoagie makers, that cuba died in the 50's and though some Spanish money and marketing has tried to revitalize it, it is easy to debate whether or not they have succeeded.. Just my humble opinion of course and plenty of things to debate here. Smoke on, Balibob
Well said Bob, thanks.
 
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