Steroids and Derek Jeter

[RonC]

I am a big Jeter fan. I regard him as one of the greatest yankees ever, and that puts him as one one the greatest ball players ever.

I remember when they talked about the amazing trio of up and coming shortstops. Jeter would rank third to A-rod and Nomar. Here we are years later, and Jeter is still humming along. He might not have the huge stats of some players, but my god, talk about consistency. Of the 3 big shortstops, A-rod had his steroid scandal which in my eyes, knocks him down a notch or two regardless if he still uses or not. Obviously, Nomar is not what he once was.

Then as a Yankee fan, I had to hear the bullshit about how f#ckin wonderful Ortiz and Ramirez are. Ortiz was the new "Mr. Clutch" in the playoffs, taking away Jeters title of one of the best clutch playoff performers in history. But wait, now news about Ortiz and Ramirez on steroids. Sorry, that knocks those 2 off the "best" list.

As a yankee fan, I know that the Yanks have had their share of steroid abusers. I do not stick up for them at all. I do not support Arod at all, and to this day, I would rather have Jeter than Arod on the Yakees.

All these players putting up huge numbers is all bullshit.

 

[carocaniac]

well said, for a Yankees fan...LOL! But really it's all about preception even when it comes to baseball...

 

[terrantheman]

It'll suck when they find out Jeter was taking roids also:dunno:

 

[RonC]

It'll suck when they find out Jeter was taking roids also:dunno:

i doubt it, but if they did, i would knock him down a notch or two

 

[woofman]

I'm a yankee hater, only cuz they kick the rangers ass..:bickering lol. I agree about Jeter, he is mr clutch. Glad the cancer known as arod is on the yanks.

 

[SkinsFanLarry]

I understand this goes back to 2003, what Selig needs to do it sit down with the Union and just release all the damn names instead of an "unnamed source" releasing a name or two every couple of months.

Put all the names out there and get it over with. Now Jose Canseco is implying that a "player already in the HOF" used steriods....what next?

 

[Poni]

I was thinking about the shortstop talks years ago when they were all young, including gonzoles (i believe). Jeters really the only one left standing (although Arod switch positions). Great to see him have another great year.

 

[terrantheman]

Yeah I doubt it also Ron but I just heard some rumors about Derek Lee and I gotta say I don't see it but hell who knows these days???

 

[openendstraight]

Ron I like you, but Jeter is at best the 3rd best Yankee ever. All I'll say is "The Babe" and "Joe".

Having said all that, I have said for atleast 4 or 5 years that the only two names that would shock me are: Derek Jeter and Ken Griffey Jr. Outside those two I think they are all guilty.

 

[RonC]

Ron I like you, but Jeter is at best the 3rd best Yankee ever. All I'll say is "The Babe" and "Joe".

Having said all that, I have said for atleast 4 or 5 years that the only two names that would shock me are: Derek Jeter and Ken Griffey Jr. Outside those two I think they are all guilty.

I put Jeter at #4. Obviously, you gotta go Ruth #1. next up, I give it to mantle. then Joe.

 

[openendstraight]

I put Jeter at #4. Obviously, you gotta go Ruth #1. next up, I give it to mantle. then Joe.

Sorry, i mis-read you first post. I thought you said Jeter was #1, now I see you wrote one of the best and not the best. Joe was not a power hitter, but 9 championships hold a hell of a lot IMHO. But I would have no problem putting him after Mickey. And you right is there anyone who can say The Babe was not the greatest player in baseball history, and I don't use that term often

 

[mfromwhere]

You take Jeter and see how far he gets you.

 

[RonC]

explain?

 

[Gordy]

if your going to be that picky about "roids" you might as well not watch many pro sports because if they arent on "roids" there are many suplements like "roids" which have the same effect.. such as prohormones which get broken down inside your body as a roid would.. thats just my opinion... with that being said Jeter is the man and i would have to agree with him being one of the all time greats

 

[daniyal]

I don't know why the Yanks resigned A-Rod I just don't think he fits in with the ball club. Its disappointing the way the MLB has been dealing with the steroid issue and I blame them for keeping it quiet for so long. Needle pushers should've been exposed from day 1 and cheats like Big Mac should be stripped of his home run title.

 

[tubaman]

You take Jeter and see how far he gets you.

Umm . . . did you watch baseball in the late 90's and early part of this decade? Jeter was the cornerstone of those teams. I'll take him any day. He is not the best player by far. I don't hold him in the same esteem as Ron does. But the manner in which he plays the game is second to none right now. He ALWAYS hustles. He rarely makes a bad play. No he doesn't have the same range others do, or anything else for that matter. You could probably take one aspect of playing baseball and find someone that is better, but as an all around player, no way. He's got something that alot of other guys have, he's a winner.

One man doesn't make a team, so I'm not saying he is the only reason the Yankees won four WS and went six times. Great pitching had a little something to do with that. But I will take him on my team any time. It's gotten the Yankees pretty far.

 

[amgracing]

boys, as a baseball player, my father being an ex pro, and knowing and working with current and former pros, all i can say is that this steroid scandal has been blown way out if proportion. here are a few key points for my argument and just simple questions that baffle me.

1. Why(and i stress this)Why is the government involved. MLB is a private entity not a government run program. Feds Get the F*** out of baseball.

2. if everyone is using roids the only way possible to stay competitive is to join in and also use enhancing drugs, its a cycle.

3. How do we know that The Babe, Mantle and Joe didnt use anything? we dont.

4. what about football? don't tell me that those monsters haven't and don't currently use roids. heck this can be used for any other sport

every person I know who played or plays professional baseball has used something to enhance size speed and over all performance.. but another observation those who play(ed) football have used 3 times the amount..

As for Jeter? he is a great ball player and a class act, but i wouldn't be surprised if he has used. maybe not in recent years but earlier years of the pros? probably

All I'm trying to say really is that writing off a great ball player because he has used enhancing drugs is understandable, but I know that those guys honestly use just to stay competitive.As for Ortiz? that list was from 2003 before this whole mess was really blown up. As of 2003 Pro-hormones were very legal and many still are.A Pro-hormone can be as close as 2 molecules away from a steroid compound. still testing dirty but not illegal.

confusion about steroids & pro-hormones? I can clear some stuff up if anyone is confused

sorry for rambling but these topics really get me.

 

[El Baton]

I remember when Barry Bonds stated in a SF Chronicle interview that roids were more prevalent than anyone imagined and that over 40% of the "big names" were taking them. So, as far as whose juicing and who's not, you really cannot tell. For just last week, the FDA came out against a supplement that you could purchase at MaxMuscle here in CA that when once inside the body, took on steroid characteristics. I know several guys in my gym who were on it and these are guys in their 50's just trying to stay in shape (hope they are not p-tested anytime soon).

I'm with you Ron, Jeter and Ken Griffey Jr. stand out as "Joe Lunchbox" types that simply go to work and get it done day in and day out!

 

[RonC]

Umm . . . did you watch baseball in the late 90's and early part of this decade? Jeter was the cornerstone of those teams. I'll take him any day. He is not the best player by far. I don't hold him in the same esteem as Ron does. But the manner in which he plays the game is second to none right now. He ALWAYS hustles. He rarely makes a bad play. No he doesn't have the same range others do, or anything else for that matter. You could probably take one aspect of playing baseball and find someone that is better, but as an all around player, no way. He's got something that alot of other guys have, he's a winner.

One man doesn't make a team, so I'm not saying he is the only reason the Yankees won four WS and went six times. Great pitching had a little something to do with that. But I will take him on my team any time. It's gotten the Yankees pretty far.

Jeters value is way beyond his stats. By the end of his career, he should have the stats to be in the HOF. If he plays long enough, he could have the most hits ever. But truth is he is a first ballot HOFer. He has a lock on it. Its not about his stats, its about his 4 rings. Its about his amazing grit and plays that he made during the Yankees 4 year run.

I always told me kids that when people visit the Hall of fame in the future, fathers will point to Jeters statue and say "son, that is one of the best players in baseball history. That guy made the most amazing plays, and had the most clutch hits when it really counted". Arods plaque is gonna be in the mens room

 

[mfromwhere]

You can't judge Jeter differently than Arod on the assumption that he's not also on roids.

You can't set the playing field unevenly because of steroids because (like amgracing said) you don't know who was cheating or how. Be it steroids, corked bats, getting pitches tipped off by apposing players, etc.

We don't know if any of the greats were cheating, but a good number of them probably were.

That said, who cares?
If everyone can cheat it's an even playing field.