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Zedman05

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Since we're all of a sudden members of the Grammar Police, allow me to help you out:

Firstly, your sentence structure is completely incorrect. "So since," and then go into "yet haven't," all within the same sentence structure? That's definitely a ticket from the Grammar Police.

Your sentence is also a run-on without any proper punctuation. Strike two.

You didn't capitalize the word "Spanish." We might have to take you to jail.

"Non" is not a word at all. You could have added hyphens to make it work, but you failed at grammar again. We're past jail and looking at Grammar Prison at this point.

You put two spaces after the word "example," which is also incorrect.

Your last sentence should have either been split into two separate thoughts or joined by a semicolon. Again, you broke grammatical rules.

I just love when people correct others, on things like grammar, as if meaning was lost because syntax was improper... esepecially when they fail as miserably as you just did. <-- Yes, you will note my improper use of ellipses there; my apologies in advance. :bouncetau
That's funny. I was thinking the same thing, but didn't want to point anything out. I have seen so many grammatical errors on here and don't even think about it because it's no big deal, I was just amazed that in all the stuff you see, THAT was what you wanted to point out Ncost? I don't want to argue about this, the topic has now taken a wrong turn...
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Oh is that how non-Spanish-speakers would say it? (I've been rackin' my brain trying to figure out how someone could f-up "Tatuaje"...)

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you would NOT believe! "tah-TOO-hoo", "TAY-too-jah"... trust me, it may be cheesy, but hooked on phonics would help the general populous. even if you don't know, at least try. pretend to care.

if I even hear one more person ask for OLIVIA serie V, I will scream.


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I do pronounce the names correctly as I actually teach Spanish, but I get strange looks from people that don't know the correct pronunciation... LOL!

You really want a challenge, just repeat Por Larrañaga over and over again... ;)

Though I do prefer the correct pronunciations, I don't ever correct anyone or offer assistance unless I am asked. Bottom line is that we are all just enjoying the cigars, right? :)
 
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I usually don't have issues with someone murdering a name once in a while, but when you see someone get corrected multiple times, on multiple days, and they actually say they are trying to work in the industry.... I swear I hear Tatuaje pronounced tot-tu-wah-gee or Ligero as Lee-gare-oh by the same person I'll have an anneurism.
 
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Since we're all of a sudden members of the Grammar Police, allow me to help you out:

Firstly, your sentence structure is completely incorrect. "So since," and then go into "yet haven't," all within the same sentence structure? That's definitely a ticket from the Grammar Police.

Your sentence is also a run-on without any proper punctuation. Strike two.

You didn't capitalize the word "Spanish." We might have to take you to jail.

"Non" is not a word at all. You could have added hyphens to make it work, but you failed at grammar again. We're past jail and looking at Grammar Prison at this point.

You put two spaces after the word "example," which is also incorrect.

Your last sentence should have either been split into two separate thoughts or joined by a semicolon. Again, you broke grammatical rules.

I just love when people correct others, on things like grammar, as if meaning was lost because syntax was improper... esepecially when they fail as miserably as you just did. <-- Yes, you will note my improper use of ellipses there; my apologies in advance. :bouncetau
I have to bust your chops, brother :) Although you have covered all the bases, next time use the spell check. Esepecially ???
 
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This is all funny, thanks for not letting me down. Never did I claim to be a grammar specialist and my D in English is proof. My point was don't point fingers if you're not perfect yourself.

I also never also claimed to be pompous yet some of you didn't leave any question to that. :peace:
 

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Wouldn't you like to know?
So I have loked at this thread with a few different thoughts. First as far as I know Shakespeare didn't write in spanish so do we chastise people for the spansih pronuciation? I have a buddy who is a guide in Cuba. One of his best customer is named Roger Coto ends up saying it as Royer. Now do we spend time to correct him or just let it slide? I will sometimes get the pronuciations right but for me it is more about the cigar then whether I can pronounce it.
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Well being from South Texas and Southern California, I have grown up speaking enough Spanish to know how to pronounce most of the names properly. And yes Por Laranaga is one of the more difficult. Rolling and R, for some is physicly impossible, as it is a gentic triat. Much like attached or detached earlobes, or being able to roll your tougue in a taco shape. Either you can do it, or you can't...and I can't. But for you all who don't know how to pronounce Spanish, it is really very easy. There are only 5 vowel sounds. a = ah, e = eh, i = eee(long e), o - oh, u = oo (as in boo), y also = ee double l or ll is pronounced as an english y. A the leter J is prnounced as an H, hence Tatuaje, is said...tah-too-ah-hey... the

The accent or emphasis on a certain sylyble is a bit more difficult and where i give most Americans a pass. here is a snipet I stole fro the web.

&#8226;If a word ends in a vowel, n or s, the stress is on the penultimate (next to last) syllable. For example, toro, computadora, joven and zapatos all have their accent on the next-to-last syllable. Most words fit this category.
&#8226;Words that end in other letters have the stress on the last syllable. For example, hotel, hablar, madador and virtud all have the accent on the final syllable.
&#8226;If a word isn't pronounced according to the above two rules, an accent is placed over the vowel of the syllable that gets the stress. For example, común, lápiz, médico, inglés, and ojalá all have the stress on the indicated syllable.


I hate pronoucing Pepin, as Pepeen, but that is proper.
 
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I would cut these store owners, or whoever sells cigars, some slack. You can't please everyone and can sometimes put these guys between a rock and a hard place. It may irritate you that these "aficionados" don't pronounce the terms correctly or with proper Spanish accents, but the next guy in line might think he's a douche know-it-all that is just trying to show off his impeccable pronunciation skills.
 

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Relax, smoke a cigar and then smile. It is actually funny when you think about it.
 

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My point was don't point fingers if you're not perfect yourself.
No one here was claiming to be perfect, but some of us tend to want to know how a product is actually pronounced. There are usually a very limited number of people between you (the customer) and the owner/ person in charge of naming the brand. As far as I can tell, the shop where you buy your cigars from is most likely the third tier; Owner #1. Sales force of some kind that sells to the shops #2. B&M employees #3.
My point is that if in only one step ( between #1 and #3) the B&M employee is told the proper pronunciation and just will not inform their customer, then that is something that maybe needs attention. I wouldn't want my product being sold by someone who blatantly doesn't care. How much are those employees going to be helping sell my product ?
 

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No sorry doesn't bother me a bit. Most are just not easy and I have more important things to learn Now maybe if I ever get retired and can spend the time on it them maybe I would try harder.
 
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Few years ago I spent a bit of time on a web site that had wav files of a bunch of brand pronounciations. Thereafter, I tried to copy the 'Pahrrrrr ta GOSS' and felt I sounded so goofy, I've gone back to what I considered to be an Americanized-English-Speaking-Slightly-Spanish pronounciation
http://www.cigargroup.com/pronoun/

That site is still up and running. Surprised nobody linked it in this thread. Unfortunately, it doesn't do NC's -- so I was still saying 'caow' and EH-VEE-OH for way too long
 
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