Warning: As some have pointed out, these cigars could be close, or they could be the actual cigar. This is a collection of my opinions, so take them with a grain of salt. Everything.
So I put this guide together for you brothers who dont want to spend a lot on a daily smoke, nor want to smoke the cuban sandwiches like the PdR Fumas. I have been in college for 10 years now, and even though I have more money now than in undergrad, I do like doing other things that costs money (there is a whole thread about fiscal responsibility; being an adult sucks!). I could easily spend my yearly cigar budget in the course of a day, especially with the HTFs, LEs, and new sticks coming out. I smoke 1-2 cigars a day and more on the weekends/holidays. That puts me around 750 sticks a year. While I would love to smoke a T52 every day, that would be pushing 10K a year. Thats more than 3 times my allowance my wife gives me per year. That includes lunch at work, sodas from the vending machine, new shoes etc. Therefore in order to fulfill my habits of smoking and buying cigars, I have purchased a lot of seconds/2nds/overruns/mistakes. I will not argue whether they are the cigars they say they are here, Im sure there are threads and threads about it. But in my experience, they are tasty and cheap. Please keep all flames down to constructive criticism.
Another thing I want to point out, some of these are a crapshoot what you get, while others are only one type. The RP and Oliva are the same across the board. AJF and PdR are a literal gamble, only being able to chose the vitola. Alec Bradley is a bit different. You purchase the exact size you want. Most of the time, they only make one cigar in a particular size (e.g. 7x49, tempus only).
Also, I'll add any more that people post up on and ones when I get home and have a chance to really look at the websites.
NOTE: There are cigars here than I KNOW are a specific stick. There are a few that Im unsure about. And then there are some that I have no idea what they could be. Some of the vitolas dont match any ever made by a particular company (see the double corona below), but they taste exactly like another known vitola. I figured that they were the same, but I could be wrong.
Also, I will keep this list updated whenever I get another mazo, I am putting them in chronologically and by which site I used. Prices include shipping.
Cigars International
A.J. Fernandez Overruns 20 Robustos Pinolero 90%, though no pigtail, $25
Nicaraguan 90+ Rated 2nds 15 Toro Oliva O Maduro 100%, $20
Alec Bradley 90+ Rated 2nds - 20 Churchill- AB Black Market 100%, $42.50
Alec Bradley 90+ Rated 2nds - 10 Double Corona #7- AB Black Market 60%, $24
Alec Bradley 90+ Rated 2nds 10 Lancero AB Tempus 100%, $26
A.J. Fernandez Overruns 20 Large Figurado Lighter than the small figurados though 7.1" x 58 RG, $30
Cigar Bid
RP X-Outs Liga A 15 Petite Torpedo RP Edge 100%, $25
PdR Overuns 20 Robustos Flores y Rodriguez Cabinet Seleccion Habano 100%, $19
Ligero Laced 2nds Liga M 15 Double Toro Cain Maduro 100%, $28
Super-Premium 2nds 25 perfectos Punch 100%, $31
Nicaraguan 90+ Rated 2nds 15 Churchill Oliva O maduro 100%, $28
Man O War 2nds 15 Corona MoW Baseline 100%, $25
Ligero Laced 2nds 15 Robustos Cain F Toro 100%, $28
Nicaraguan Gordo 2nds CT 15 Nubs Oliva Nub Conny 100%, $30
Man O War RUIN 2nds 15 Belicoso MoW Ruination 100%, $34
A.J. Fernandez Overruns 20 Small Figurado I don't know, Very dark wrapper (6" x 60 RG), either a diesel double perfecto or estd. 1844 no 60, $33
PDR Overruns - 20 Churchill - 1878 Capa Habana Reserva Dominicana, $30
CI/CBID Wording and Decipher
Nicaraguan 90+ Rated 2nds-Oliva O Maduro. Pick the size you want
Alec Bradley 90+ Rated 2nds- Dependent on size; will expand at a later date
Rocky Patel Vintage Seconds-1990/1992 Explicitly states which ones you'll get
Nicaraguan Gordo 2nds-Nubs States which wrapper you order, the ring gauge, and whether its a torpedo or not
Fonseca Overruns-Pick the size, but unknown other than that.
Gurkha overruns-Why would you even buy the firsts....But pick the wrapper and size
AJ Fernandez Overruns-Crap shoot, however you won't get any MoW line, they sell them separately. Can pick size, though.
Super-Premium 2nds. Punch. Pick the size you want.
Victor Sinclair Overruns-Won't get series 55, they sell them separately. Pick the size, but unknown other than that.
E.P. Carrillo 2nds-Pick the size. Have heard of people getting the inch from the 'Gordo' size, but nothing other than that
PdR Overruns-Crap shoot. FyR are still a possibility. Pick the size.
Man O' War 2nds-Can't get the ruinations, they sell them separately. However, can get the side projects if you're lucky.
Man O' War ruinations 2nds- Usually only in belicoso. States what you get
Nicaraguan Sweets 2nd-Just appeared recently this month. Unknown to me. Pick the size
Victor Sinclair serie 55 2nd-You can pick size/wrapper
Nicaraguan Ligero-Laced 2nds- Cain line of cigars. Pick the group and size. More below.
Pleiades Overrun Cigars- I don't know anything about this company. Pick the size, though.
Rocky Patel X-outs-Large selection of RPs. Pick the group, size, and sometimes wrapper. More below.
Perdomo Mistakes-I have heard, though unconfirmed that they are Perdomo squared overruns. Pick between the two wrappers.
La Saguesera-Pick your size
Famous Smoke
Alec Bradley Supervisor Selection - bundle of 20 Toro (6x50) "Epicure" Natural
Nicaraguan Ligero-Laced/Cain Liga decoding. However, this is questionable. Take this section with a grain of salt
H-Habano
F-F However, Lancero is NOT Cain F lancero.
M-Maduro
D-Daytona
Rocky Patel 2nds Liga decoding
A-Edge/Edge Maduro
B-Sungrown
C-Olde World Reserve
D-Decade
E-Indian Tabac Super Fuerte
F-Edge Light/Edge Light Maduro
So I put this guide together for you brothers who dont want to spend a lot on a daily smoke, nor want to smoke the cuban sandwiches like the PdR Fumas. I have been in college for 10 years now, and even though I have more money now than in undergrad, I do like doing other things that costs money (there is a whole thread about fiscal responsibility; being an adult sucks!). I could easily spend my yearly cigar budget in the course of a day, especially with the HTFs, LEs, and new sticks coming out. I smoke 1-2 cigars a day and more on the weekends/holidays. That puts me around 750 sticks a year. While I would love to smoke a T52 every day, that would be pushing 10K a year. Thats more than 3 times my allowance my wife gives me per year. That includes lunch at work, sodas from the vending machine, new shoes etc. Therefore in order to fulfill my habits of smoking and buying cigars, I have purchased a lot of seconds/2nds/overruns/mistakes. I will not argue whether they are the cigars they say they are here, Im sure there are threads and threads about it. But in my experience, they are tasty and cheap. Please keep all flames down to constructive criticism.
Another thing I want to point out, some of these are a crapshoot what you get, while others are only one type. The RP and Oliva are the same across the board. AJF and PdR are a literal gamble, only being able to chose the vitola. Alec Bradley is a bit different. You purchase the exact size you want. Most of the time, they only make one cigar in a particular size (e.g. 7x49, tempus only).
Also, I'll add any more that people post up on and ones when I get home and have a chance to really look at the websites.
NOTE: There are cigars here than I KNOW are a specific stick. There are a few that Im unsure about. And then there are some that I have no idea what they could be. Some of the vitolas dont match any ever made by a particular company (see the double corona below), but they taste exactly like another known vitola. I figured that they were the same, but I could be wrong.
Also, I will keep this list updated whenever I get another mazo, I am putting them in chronologically and by which site I used. Prices include shipping.
Cigars International
A.J. Fernandez Overruns 20 Robustos Pinolero 90%, though no pigtail, $25
Nicaraguan 90+ Rated 2nds 15 Toro Oliva O Maduro 100%, $20
Alec Bradley 90+ Rated 2nds - 20 Churchill- AB Black Market 100%, $42.50
Alec Bradley 90+ Rated 2nds - 10 Double Corona #7- AB Black Market 60%, $24
Alec Bradley 90+ Rated 2nds 10 Lancero AB Tempus 100%, $26
A.J. Fernandez Overruns 20 Large Figurado Lighter than the small figurados though 7.1" x 58 RG, $30
Cigar Bid
RP X-Outs Liga A 15 Petite Torpedo RP Edge 100%, $25
PdR Overuns 20 Robustos Flores y Rodriguez Cabinet Seleccion Habano 100%, $19
Ligero Laced 2nds Liga M 15 Double Toro Cain Maduro 100%, $28
Super-Premium 2nds 25 perfectos Punch 100%, $31
Nicaraguan 90+ Rated 2nds 15 Churchill Oliva O maduro 100%, $28
Man O War 2nds 15 Corona MoW Baseline 100%, $25
Ligero Laced 2nds 15 Robustos Cain F Toro 100%, $28
Nicaraguan Gordo 2nds CT 15 Nubs Oliva Nub Conny 100%, $30
Man O War RUIN 2nds 15 Belicoso MoW Ruination 100%, $34
A.J. Fernandez Overruns 20 Small Figurado I don't know, Very dark wrapper (6" x 60 RG), either a diesel double perfecto or estd. 1844 no 60, $33
PDR Overruns - 20 Churchill - 1878 Capa Habana Reserva Dominicana, $30
CI/CBID Wording and Decipher
Nicaraguan 90+ Rated 2nds-Oliva O Maduro. Pick the size you want
Alec Bradley 90+ Rated 2nds- Dependent on size; will expand at a later date
Rocky Patel Vintage Seconds-1990/1992 Explicitly states which ones you'll get
Nicaraguan Gordo 2nds-Nubs States which wrapper you order, the ring gauge, and whether its a torpedo or not
Fonseca Overruns-Pick the size, but unknown other than that.
Gurkha overruns-Why would you even buy the firsts....But pick the wrapper and size
AJ Fernandez Overruns-Crap shoot, however you won't get any MoW line, they sell them separately. Can pick size, though.
Super-Premium 2nds. Punch. Pick the size you want.
Victor Sinclair Overruns-Won't get series 55, they sell them separately. Pick the size, but unknown other than that.
E.P. Carrillo 2nds-Pick the size. Have heard of people getting the inch from the 'Gordo' size, but nothing other than that
PdR Overruns-Crap shoot. FyR are still a possibility. Pick the size.
Man O' War 2nds-Can't get the ruinations, they sell them separately. However, can get the side projects if you're lucky.
Man O' War ruinations 2nds- Usually only in belicoso. States what you get
Nicaraguan Sweets 2nd-Just appeared recently this month. Unknown to me. Pick the size
Victor Sinclair serie 55 2nd-You can pick size/wrapper
Nicaraguan Ligero-Laced 2nds- Cain line of cigars. Pick the group and size. More below.
Pleiades Overrun Cigars- I don't know anything about this company. Pick the size, though.
Rocky Patel X-outs-Large selection of RPs. Pick the group, size, and sometimes wrapper. More below.
Perdomo Mistakes-I have heard, though unconfirmed that they are Perdomo squared overruns. Pick between the two wrappers.
La Saguesera-Pick your size
Famous Smoke
Alec Bradley Supervisor Selection - bundle of 20 Toro (6x50) "Epicure" Natural
Nicaraguan Ligero-Laced/Cain Liga decoding. However, this is questionable. Take this section with a grain of salt
H-Habano
F-F However, Lancero is NOT Cain F lancero.
M-Maduro
D-Daytona
Rocky Patel 2nds Liga decoding
A-Edge/Edge Maduro
B-Sungrown
C-Olde World Reserve
D-Decade
E-Indian Tabac Super Fuerte
F-Edge Light/Edge Light Maduro
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