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A kinder, gentler FDA thread -- now with facts! (TL/DR, the sky is not falling)

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Skip Martin posted this on Facebook. Again, I hate to sound like a preacher, but finding your representative in your district and writing a 'rational' letter of concern may help win the vote for that exemption on premium cigars. FDA will most likely require a ton of funding to create an approval process for premium cigars, and Congress may just vote to exempt cigars in order to avoid that unnecessary spending.
 
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i think this guy may be mistaken, anything added to treat the leaves for preparation to roll any dye any conditioning for the leafs will have to be formulated. and if there is no need for formulation in premium cigars why include them in the legislation. i am tellin ya bait and switch.
 

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I got one too. Maybe it will fall on deaf ears, maybe not. We still need to speak out and fight this.
Exactly. Signing a petition to the President, or contacting your Senator will definitely fall on deaf ears. But Trump has put the fear of God in these House Reps. They're on pins and needles and not looking for any more angry constituents. They still possess the power of funding these absurd regulations and can vote to exempt premium cigars from FDA guidelines. It's a long shot, but the last chance we've got.
 
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i think this guy may be mistaken, anything added to treat the leaves for preparation to roll any dye any conditioning for the leafs will have to be formulated. and if there is no need for formulation in premium cigars why include them in the legislation. i am tellin ya bait and switch.
Those aren't cigars I want to smoke anyway. Gimme leaves and leaves and leave the rest.
 
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Bullshit, we shouldn't have to pay more and the manufacturers shouldn't have to charge more because some Govt. geek is sticking his fingers in our business. That mind set will only help them with their agenda. http://savetheleaf.org

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Agree 100% with James! (y) It's the principle of the matter here. Not going to go into a lengthy diatribe, but suffice it to say, it's not the government's place to save us from ourselves. Liberty is typically lost incrementally -- not all at once -- until one morning you wake up, no longer a free man. (n)
 

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Take it from a citizen of a country that has been down this dusty road. It's not the first hike that's the worry... It's the next 10 years and what they can do once they have the initial precedence. Fight now or you'll wish you had #Australiastartedthiswayandnowitscompletelyfucked
 

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Skip Martin posted this on Facebook. Again, I hate to sound like a preacher, but finding your representative in your district and writing a 'rational' letter of concern may help win the vote for that exemption on premium cigars. FDA will most likely require a ton of funding to create an approval process for premium cigars, and Congress may just vote to exempt cigars in order to avoid that unnecessary spending.
Love Skips stuff but, he's a supporter of Progressives who love to NANNY the American public. Once again love Skips stuff but kind of interesting once it goes in a progressive pocket how their tune changes.
 

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Those aren't cigars I want to smoke anyway. Gimme leaves and leaves and leave the rest.
But a "if it doesn't affect me, I won't care" attitude is what allows them to keep chipping away at freedoms.

(I've been guilty of the same attitude about things, so I'm preaching to myself as much as anyone.)
 
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The scary taxes don't come from the FDA regulation bill. This would just be a bad legal precedent for bills like THIS ONE and THIS OTHER ONE to pass far more easily. Not trying to be a tinfoil hat guy or a sky is falling guy but when there are two separate attempts to use taxation as a form of restriction I feel the need to address it when the discussion is already in that area.
 

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Love Skips stuff but, he's a supporter of Progressives who love to NANNY the American public.
Not familiar with his politics. But look, these new FDA guidelines are based off the simple desire of keeping 'harmful', 'addictive' nicotine products out of the hands of children. They were not designed to keep premium cigars out of the hands of adults. But the FDA overreached. That's all this is. Regardless of one's politics, it still makes sense to contact the House Representative for your district and draft a 'rational' letter encouraging them to vote for the exemption of premium cigars when it comes time to vote on the funding of these new guidelines. It's a long shot, but the last hope we have. Like I said above, Trump put these fools on notice, Democrats and Republicans alike. The last thing they need, or want, are more angry and discontent constituents in their districts. LOL! I am still confident the House will vote for the exemption once they recognize the absurd overreach of these FDA guidelines.
 
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Love Skips stuff but, he's a supporter of Progressives who love to NANNY the American public. Once again love Skips stuff but kind of interesting once it goes in a progressive pocket how their tune changes.
Not to belabor this point, but you are right that Skip makes excellent cigars. He is also one of the most available, intelligent, and thoughtful people in the whole Industry. I don't really take kindly to your assertion that he is somehow selling out his principals by pursuing the exemption for premium cigars that we all want. A blatant mischaracterization of the process here.

Again, this whole idea of a "nanny state" is just a figment of some imaginations. The government creates limits to your freedoms all the time. Ever since the writing of the Constitution, in fact. These things that limit your freedom are called "laws." Limiting your freedom do to things without negative consequences is what a law is. A law against murder limits your freedom to kill with impunity. A law against heroin limits your freedom to make, buy, sell and take heroin without arrest, prosecution and incarceration if you are caught.

And a law against children using tobacco is the same thing. This particular ruling was initially written too broadly. We are taking smart, competent, reasonable steps to get this amended. This is not an excuse for anti-governmentalists to stand on their soapbox and yell about the "nanny state" or "freedom" or anything else. It's an opportunity to make a course correction, and not explode things out of proportion. At best, it is a chance to show the world that cigar lovers and their preferred industry are people like Skip: thoughtful, smart, and willing and able to work to make things right for everyone. Let's not blow that chance by being reactionary hotheads.

Read my first post again, please, and the links I embedded. Essentially, there may be much less to worry about than has been trumpeted in this and other forums, even with *no* changes to the existing ruling.
 
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Take it from a citizen of a country that has been down this dusty road. It's not the first hike that's the worry... It's the next 10 years and what they can do once they have the initial precedence. Fight now or you'll wish you had #Australiastartedthiswayandnowitscompletelyfucked
Amen. I agree with this. This is only the tip of the iceberg. Once the door is open, more legislation will follow.
 
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