I'll freely admit to being newly serious about cigars so I may not be the best judge but....
I find them very bland but there is something off putting in there. I can't quite put my finger on what it is though.
I have purchased them recently based on the overwhelming majority of glowing reviews here and on puff.
So far, the ones I've really enjoyed have been LP9, almost anything by RomaCraft, and a few by Nub.
I respect that, but I am no expert either. I've smoked dozens of different A.F. and been pleased. I only ever had 1 LP, and neither of the others you name, so I guess I'll look for them and give them a shot. I suppose it takes a lot of time to allow our palate to flourish. Over the years, I stuck with what I know, so to speak. I also love H.Upman, Punch, and Hoyo de Monterrey. Don't give up, Brother. You may find one you like sooner or later. As an aside, I smoked a few Rocky Patel and didn't care for them before. I'm having one right now that is rather enjoyable. So, for me, ya just never know. Have a great night, friend.
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