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Jfire

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2004 Forbidden X Opus X Toro
Start time: 10:55 PM
Drink: Russell's reserve ten years bourbon and water in between to clean up the pallet.
Pre-light: Soft wrapper almost dry to the touch but humidified.
Wrapper to the nose smells of Cedar.
Smelling the foot produces very very faint plum and raisin. Draw is perfect.


Lit with a 2012 Botl Herf cedar spill.
First puffs:
White pepper on back of tongue. Cedar and thru the nose some type of citrus which is phenomenal I can't quite pull out.
First 3rd: Wrapper binder starting to crack half way down. Still getting white pepper. Plum now. (Very light) and also cinnamon. The retrohale is pure cool smoke and flavor. As I continue to smoke the cigar it is just so light and flavorful on the retrohale.

2nd: Body is still on low end (all flavor!) Purge at the ash drop of 2 inches. Still flavors of dried plum in both the smoke and ambient aroma. Further into the 2nd I'm getting some burnt caramel along with cinnamon and plum thru the nose.

3rd: Not much has changed. Body has picked up to lower medium side. Ambient room aroma is in top 10 of cigars I've smoked ever. (I'm blowing some of the smoke away from my exhaust system just to smell the room...) Also still some burnt caramel. And yes the dried plum thru the retrohale is still there. Not much spice but a faint cinnamon still. Cigar is starting to wind down at about 1 inch.


Final thoughts:
This cigar was one of my white whales. I owned two of these. Gifted one back in 2009 and traded one in a Htf pass..... I never had the chance to smoke one. Until now. Thank you Ishee( Smoking Ish) for a wonderful oppurtinity! You truly have become one of my best friends. Even though we live so far away.
The cigar smoked like a dream. It had a few wrapper pops. But I managed.
Even with the wrapper pops it didn't need one relight and only 2 touch ups.
The Forbidden's room aroma may even be in my top 5 cigars.
With notes of cedar, plum, burnt caramel and cinnamon. Who could ask for more!?!?
I honestly think this cigar is still in its prime. Even this many years later.....(although the wrapper is showing its age with such a fragile dry texture)
I tried to drink heavy water in between bourbon sips to not affect flavors.
I could of retrohaled every puff! That light and that flavorful!
Final smoking time: 12:55am (2hrs)
If you have this cigar smoke it now and enjoy the hell out of it!!!!!!!

Thanks for reading gents,
Jfire
 

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That is an incredible smoke. Good to see people enjoying the greatness of those.

I agree wholeheartedly on the room aroma of those too!
 

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Great job JFire! Interesting seeing your take on this cigar. When I reviewed it 4 1/2 years back I found it to be much fuller bodied and with more kick than you describe, at the time it easily made my top 5 cigars http://www.botl.org/threads/2004-opus-x-forbidden-x-toro-review.38771/
Perhaps I need to smoke the last one I have as it seems to be mellowing quite a bit
 

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Solid Opus to writeup Bro,
Also am a big proponent of controlling and adjusting the fresh air to smoke mixture rates .
 
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2004 Forbidden X Opus X Toro

The Forbidden's room aroma may even be in my top 5 cigars.
With notes of cedar, plum, burnt caramel and cinnamon. Who could ask for more!?!?
I honestly think this cigar is still in its prime. Even this many years later.....
If you have this cigar smoke it now and enjoy the hell out of it!!!!!!!
Jfire
(my emphasis added)
So a 10 year old Opus was still in its prime in your opinion? Wait a minute, I swear I just read something entirely different...
An Opus still good after 10 years? Nah, must be a mistake. They are hot air after 4-5 years so I'm told.
 
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Jfire did say there were exceptions.

And honestly, this cigar would be in my top 3 of all time (I smoked it in 13 and 14.)
 

Jfire

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Great job JFire! Interesting seeing your take on this cigar.
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When I reviewed it 4 1/2 years back I found it to be much fuller bodied and with more kick than you describe
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, at the time it easily made my top 5 cigars http://www.botl.org/threads/2004-opus-x-forbidden-x-toro-review.38771/
Perhaps I need to smoke the last one I have as it seems to be mellowing quite a bit
Hmmmm,
Yet in this same thread he's trying to troll me in.....There is evidence in a post by Cmac saying just how strong this cigar was just 4 years earlier. Like it's shocking it lost all it NC strength that quick.
And yes @sofc I did say there were exceptions. I also added points about future investment values, ashtray mouth etc.
Welcome back Mike. Maybe you can contribute to some actual threads.


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Hmmmm,
Yet in this same thread he's trying to troll me in.....There is evidence in a post by Cmac saying just how strong this cigar was just 4 years earlier. Like it's shocking it lost all it NC strength that quick.
And yes @sofc I did say there were exceptions. I also added points about future investment values, ashtray mouth etc.
Welcome back Mike. Maybe you can contribute to some actual threads.


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BTW, what's ashtray mouth?
 

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Brushing your teeth, gums and tongue. Rinsing with a smoker's mouth wash. And still waking up with dirty cigar breath/taste.


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Hmmmm,
Yet in this same thread he's trying to troll me in.....There is evidence in a post by Cmac saying just how strong this cigar was just 4 years earlier. Like it's shocking it lost all it NC strength that quick.
And yes @sofc I did say there were exceptions. I also added points about future investment values, ashtray mouth etc.
Welcome back Mike. Maybe you can contribute to some actual threads.
Thanks! But then you peed in the punchbowl with your snarky comment. I could have sworn I've been posting quite a bit lately on actual threads. Maybe they're just virtual threads? So confusing to me.

Anyway, it's really not a big deal and I'm not trying to "troll you in". You made a massive overgeneralization and I commented on it. I could go point by point of all the things you said that didn't quite add up, but that's ok. I found a couple of old threads instead. Lawyer in me I guess!

It's all good. In fact, next time I'm playing Whitetail I'll stop by and bring the bourbon and cubans!
 
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