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Any new info yet on the SCHIP tax vote?

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Reading the how many years of cigars do you have hread reminded me that this bullshit was up for vote in the HOR today. It has the potential to raise the tax on not only cigars, but all tobacco products....although the cigar tax seems to be the worst with a potential increase of up to $3 per cigar.

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I got this in my email yesterday from a B&M from the Cities (hope it is ok to post this, if O well we all need to know)......
Dear Fellow Cigar Enthusiasts, Please read the following e-mail, received today from the Cigar Rights of America. We hope you join us and take action! Please write your US Senator as well as your representatives. This is an issue that will impact all of us.

Thanks, Eileen and Howard Stogies On Grand



"Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness" | "No Taxation Without Representation"

SCHIP And Cigar Taxes - A Formula For Decline



This week, Congress is preparing to consider a bill to expand the State Children's Health Insurance Program (SCHIP) by significantly increasing federal taxes, in part on cigars - possibly up to $3 a cigar. The fallout from the tax increases will include declining sales, employee layoffs, store closings and the potential for rising black market activity. In addition, there will be a severe economic impact on the cigar producing nations of the world, such as Honduras , Nicaragua , and the Dominican Republic . The ripple effect of this tax program has not been thought out in Congress, and you are needed to help oppose it.
Cigar Rights of America stands with numerous pro-business organizations in opposing these tax increases that are being proposed at the worst possible time in our nation's economic history. The very idea of raising taxes on cigars, with so many family owned retailers and small businesses at risk in this economic climate, defies logic.
It is important to understand that many industry organizations support the reauthorization and/or expansion of the SCHIP program which is scheduled to expire on March 31, 2009 . What is being opposed is substantially raising federal taxes in cigars to fund the expansion of SCHIP.
If the tax increases that Congress may consider this week to fund an expanded SCHIP program in 2009 are the same as or similar to the tax rate increases considered in 2007, the economic impact on the entire industry will be disastrous. It could be as much as 50% for the premium hand-made cigar industry, in addition to doubling and tripling the retail cost of your favorite cigar.


Contact Your Representative




http://www.congressmerge.com/onlinedb/cgi-bin/newseek.cgi?site=congressmerge&state=mn

We urge you to contact your Congressional Representative, the leadership of the House, and the chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee to voice your concerns about the proposed tax increases on cigars.
Find and Contact Your Representative.

Contact the Speaker of the House of Representatives, Nancy Pelosi

Contact the House Majority Leader, Steny Hoyer

Contact the House Chairman of the Ways and Means Committee, Charles Rangel


Industry estimates project up to 117,000 jobs lost due to the tax increases plus numerous wholesalers and retailers will be forced to close. In this current economy, such severe job losses would be extremely painful not only to workers and their families, but also to the national economy.
There will be a migration of sales to illegal suppliers that will further exacerbate the downturn in sales that will be experienced by law-abiding retailers and worsen the revenue shortfalls to the states and the federal government.

According to a Budget Options report issued by the Congressional Budget Office in February, 2007, increasing the federal excise tax rates will significantly reduce state tax collections and sales tax revenue. This will put additional budgetary pressure on all state governments, negating the very benefit of expanding SCHIP.
Moreover, President-elect Barack Obama needs to keep his campaign promise and not raise taxes, including tobacco taxes, on any American who earns less than $250,000. We should implore Congress to reauthorize SCHIP without imposing disastrously large tax increases on tobacco products.

Calling All CRA Members To Action!

Now, more than ever, we are asking CRA Members and cigar enthusiasts around the nation to band together against these unfair and restrictive tax proposals. Together we can make a difference!

We urge you to contact your Congressional Representative, the leadership of the House, and the chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee to voice your concerns about the proposed tax increases on cigars.

It's easy to take action. Simply visit the official United States House of Representatives website to Find and Contact Your Representative.

After you have written to your Congressional Representative, please consider writing to three other very influential members of congress:
Contact the Speaker of the House of Representatives, Nancy Pelosi


Contact the House Majority Leader, Steny Hoyer


Contact the House Chairman of the Ways and Means Committee, Charles Rangel




Join CRA Today!




www.CigarRights.org



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dam it I posted an article from a year ago, and was able to delete it here, but my foot will be forever stuck in my mouth over at CF. God knows those guys are going to have field day with this.
 

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Cigar Insider out today said tax is to be capped at $.40 a stick which is quite reasonable. At least compared to our cap of $10. Enough that they can raise some money without destroying the industry.
 

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Got this off one of the other boards......

January 13, 2009 - The latest version of the State Children's Health Insurance Program (SCHIP), HR2, has been officially introduced in House Ways & Means Committee. The industry compromise on the revised tax rate on large cigars has been incorporated into HR2. The new tax rate will be 52.4% with a maximum tax cap on any one cigar at 40 cents per cigar.

In previous versions of SCHIP legislation, the tax cap rate held at $3 per cigar. Your trade association and its federal lobbyists, working in conjunction with the Cigar Association of America, our industry came together to agressively challenge the distasterous, proposed $3 tax cap, and get the substantially reduced to the more sustainable 40-cent tax cap.

The IPCPR also recognizes the work of the associate members of your association, who were a key component in educating to Congress on our industry. Thank you to our retail members and their customers for supporting our aggressive grassroots efforts.

While HR2 looks to breeze through the House, it may have a slower journey through the Senate, though we do not expect any direct changes to the tax cap rate.

SCHIP Legislation Details

The new tax rates are effective April 1, 2009;

The cigarette tax rate goes from $.39 per pack to $1.00 per pack;
The tax on snuff goes from $.585 per pound to $1.50 per pound;
The tax on pipe tobacco goes from $1.0969 per pound to $2.8126 per pound;
The tax on RYO goes from $1.0969 per pound to $24.62 per pound (not a typo).
Additionally the definition of RYO has been expanded to include cigar wrappers to address the "blunt wraps" issue;
The tax change to small cigars (cigars weighing less the three (3) pounds per thousand will be phased in over five (5) years at the following rates per year:
2009 & 2010 - $.25 per pack
2011 & 2012 - $.50 per pack
2013 & 2014 - $.75 per pack
2015 and beyond - $1.00 per pack

We were successful in continuing to have the floor tax NOT apply to large cigars; however it does pertain to any other tobacco products.

This comes from Chris McCalla the legislative director at IPCPR.
 

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Thanks for that. I know I am not even living in the right country for it to affect me to much but I buy a lot in the US. I looks like the emphasis for the hikes is in the right spot cigarettes.
 

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That is funny, U buy yours from the US and we try to buy them any place but the US..........:crying:
 
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Thanks for that. I know I am not even living in the right country for it to affect me to much but I buy a lot in the US. I looks like the emphasis for the hikes is in the right spot cigarettes.
the problem with that is that the lower income people have higher rates of smoking. i don't know how many people on here have tried to kick that habit, but it's tough. ultimately it's another tax on the people who can least afford it.
 
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A cap of $.40 per cigar isn't as bad as I had expected. The increase on RYO tobacco is bizarre, though. What's the difference, in purely legal terms, between RYO cigarette tobacco and pipe tobacco? Can RYO tobacco producers repackage their product as "pipe tobacco" and avoid the massive tax hit?

In my opinion, this type of legislation shows how clueless our legislators are. We're talking basic economics here: if you want to fund a program on tobacco taxes, you can't raise the taxes to the point where nobody can afford to keep smoking. In short: don't butcher your dairy cattle.
 

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the problem with that is that the lower income people have higher rates of smoking. i don't know how many people on here have tried to kick that habit, but it's tough. ultimately it's another tax on the people who can least afford it.
I quit cigarettes 10 years ago and had to give up cigars for 3 to do it. I know how hard it is but also understand that the reason behind all of it is cigarettes. I doubt that the increases in taxes will do much to stop people from smoking cigarettes but it will do a lot of damage to the cigar industry. Here in Canada we have 180% tax on cigars to a max of $10 a stick and it has devestated our cigar industry. We have similarly high taxes on cigarettes to the point of $12 packs and I don't think our smoking rates are much lower then the US. I don't think our health are system could survive without cigarette taxes. I know it hurts the lower income more but smoking is still optional and not politically correct at the moment so it will always be a target. I just wish in our case and hope in yours that cigars don't get thrown into the same basket and people realize that cigars are a hobby cigarettes an addiction.
 
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I can live with $.40 per cigar. What I can't live with is all the pussified douche bags who live in this country. I'm going to be honest with people.

Yuppie Jonathon: There's one of those horrible cigar smokers.

Me: F**k you C**k sucker. My enjoyment is funding health insurance for kids. WTF are you doing Mr. Plastic Water Bottle man...:angerFU:


Sorry, I had to vent.

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I can live with $.40 per cigar. What I can't live with is all the pussified douche bags who live in this country. I'm going to be honest with people.

Yuppie Jonathon: There's one of those horrible cigar smokers.

Me: F**k you C**k sucker. My enjoyment is funding health insurance for kids. WTF are you doing Mr. Plastic Water Bottle man...:angerFU:


Sorry, I had to vent.

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I'll hang in the same boat with you jay, due to the fact we are burning up money, this is not a hobby for the weak and not for the faint of hearts. Raise the prices, kumar will still find a way to get the smokes at whole sale.
 
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My concern about the $.40 tax is not my ability to pay it, but the effect on the industry. My hunch is that $.40 is not enough to not be a major problem, but between a slow economy and increased taxes, demand could drop enough that some factories would be forced to close.
 

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My concern about the $.40 tax is not my ability to pay it, but the effect on the industry. My hunch is that $.40 is not enough to not be a major problem, but between a slow economy and increased taxes, demand could drop enough that some factories would be forced to close.
Specially those who've risen this last year. And there are several great ones!
 
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A cap of $.40 per cigar isn't as bad as I had expected. The increase on RYO tobacco is bizarre, though. What's the difference, in purely legal terms, between RYO cigarette tobacco and pipe tobacco? Can RYO tobacco producers repackage their product as "pipe tobacco" and avoid the massive tax hit?
Interesting question -- has anyone here done RYO enough to know how it differs from pipe tobacco? I see the point (tax cigarette tobacco higher) but the result is weird.
 

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I used to roll a cherry vanilla pipe blend in cigarettes. It is alot more moist, and tarry than regualr RYO. Turned my fingers and lips brown with in about 4 months. I'm sure someone will try it to see if they can get away with it.
 
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