i like them or liked them i have over half a box sitting in my coolidor its been there for a year. they are a fairly mild smoke and i have move towards more heavy bodied smokes but they are still good and when i have friends that want a stick i will give them a CAO black or a Perdomo Champagne because they are more mild and are pretty decent sticks. this way if they are newer to cigars they may start to like them more and maybe become an new smoking buddy. .02