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Cuban quality
- Thread starter Bruce T.
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While I do love CC's I also love many NC's. I get my CC's when I'm in Cuba. I have considered ordering CC's from Europe or Hong Kong but I've never gotten around to it. I think they would be cheaper even with the taxes.
ChefBoyRG54
BoM Sept '14 & BoY 2014
Gotcha
Based on your price list, it would appear the Hong Kong route would be even cheaper than Cuba!
ChuckMejia
The General
How often do you go to Cuba? I'm sure in Canada Cubans are definitely overpriced with the tax
ChuckMejia
The General
I for one prefer Cubans over any Non Cuban. However there are still a few NC's I won't let go of yet. None of the NC's I still enjoy are over $8 a stick tho.
ChuckMejia
The General
ChuckMejia
The General
Would you prefer Euros
ChuckMejia
The General
God save the Queen!
Unless you're talking about guantanameras, all CCs are handmade, even the short filler ones.
Also, if ISIS is down to being supported by impoverished carribean socialist republics, then there's nothing for you to lose sleep about.
CA is, by and large, a shill for their advertisers. I'm talking about articles and scoring, not the obvious layout ads.
As to CCs, I think to a large extent that these articles, if you're representing them properly, have it exactly backward.
Cuban quality is nowhere near that of your average boutique NC company -- Warped, CH, Roma, Illusione -- and if you want to try to compare CC quality to a big player like Fuente? I will literally laugh in your face.
Have you BEEN to Cuba? For all intents and purposes, it is 1950 there. I was in a tobacco field in Pinar del Rio 10 days ago, and a farmer was plowing with oxen. It's 20 goddamn 17! Oxen!
Again, I am not saying that Oxen produces a better or worse cigar -- it certainly produces cigars less efficiently -- but don't go touting the high-tech, 21st century Cuban tobacco machine as a reason for quality
The articles you reference (if they're the ones I read) are very typical of propaganda: tell them it's all wonderful and uses the most modern methods, etc., and meanwhile you've got leaf arriving at the back in a hose-drawn cart.
Having said that.
Cuban cigars are different. If you've smoked a lot of CCs and NCs, they have a different profile. I didn't used to think so, but I also didn't used to smoke a lot of CCs. Now I enjoy them at a 4-1 rate compared to NCs. I still do my best to try most every NC I can get my hands on, but I no longer buy them by the box, and the only times I do are at IPCPR (and after) and when I go to my B&M, so I can help them stay in business. All other times, I've got a CC in my hand or mouth. I have a small closely held list of NCs that tend to deliver, for me. The rest? Meh.
CCs are not better. They're different. Until you put 4-5 years of age on them. Then, they're kind of just better...
As to CCs, I think to a large extent that these articles, if you're representing them properly, have it exactly backward.
Cuban quality is nowhere near that of your average boutique NC company -- Warped, CH, Roma, Illusione -- and if you want to try to compare CC quality to a big player like Fuente? I will literally laugh in your face.
Have you BEEN to Cuba? For all intents and purposes, it is 1950 there. I was in a tobacco field in Pinar del Rio 10 days ago, and a farmer was plowing with oxen. It's 20 goddamn 17! Oxen!
Again, I am not saying that Oxen produces a better or worse cigar -- it certainly produces cigars less efficiently -- but don't go touting the high-tech, 21st century Cuban tobacco machine as a reason for quality
The articles you reference (if they're the ones I read) are very typical of propaganda: tell them it's all wonderful and uses the most modern methods, etc., and meanwhile you've got leaf arriving at the back in a hose-drawn cart.Having said that.
Cuban cigars are different. If you've smoked a lot of CCs and NCs, they have a different profile. I didn't used to think so, but I also didn't used to smoke a lot of CCs. Now I enjoy them at a 4-1 rate compared to NCs. I still do my best to try most every NC I can get my hands on, but I no longer buy them by the box, and the only times I do are at IPCPR (and after) and when I go to my B&M, so I can help them stay in business. All other times, I've got a CC in my hand or mouth. I have a small closely held list of NCs that tend to deliver, for me. The rest? Meh.
CCs are not better. They're different. Until you put 4-5 years of age on them. Then, they're kind of just better...
AlohaStyle
BoM Sept '12 & Aug '13
Oxen are part of the reason CCs are clearly the best cigars and tobacco in the world. I'd rather smoke tobacco fertilized by oxen dung than tractor fuel.
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ChuckMejia
The General
Oxen are cheaper than a tractor, and last longer
ChuckMejia
The General
And as far as saying you can't compare Cubans to a big guy like Fuente.... now that made me laugh. I smoked an Opus oscuro, the most heinous cigar of the year.
Was the taste poor or the construction? What Senor Perfecto was talking about (I believe) is construction, which I agree with, and is also somewhat objective at least. Taste is purely subjective and I am sure he is not trying to go down that rabbit hole with CC vs NC.
ChuckMejia
The General
Yeah I don't think he is. He raves about them on the Aussie board so I'm sure he loves his Cubans.
But as far as the oscuros I picked up one of each size and they were just terrible smokes. The only notes I could pick up was dirt. It tasted as if I feel and landed face first into dirt. Just wasn't a fan. Construction was pretty rugged for a "Fuente" type cigar too.
And you've hit on a problem that NC boutiques are having as they try to enter the Europe market...