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First thing, check the manufacturer's web site. If the cigar is not listed, they either no longer own the label, or it is an exclusive made to a retailer's specs. It is known that CI will buy out remaining stock of a discontinued cigar along with the rights to the label. If it becomes a regular CI offering, at some point the original cigars run out, and you start getting who knows what, manufactured by who knows who.

The Noventa is a no brainer. Check CI's ad copy, and remember that this cigar has been a regular production offering of thier's for well over 3 years. Charlie would have had to have thousands upon thousands of boxes of these filling his warehouse for the ad copy to be true today. The ad copy may have been true for a little while, but at some time, it ceased being so.

If a retailer buys the right to a label, they have every legal right to manufacturer it as they see fit. What they don't have the right to do, is produce misleading ad copy about it.

CI's marketing and ad copy has always been way over the top.. The key to dealing with that is simple... DONT BOTHER READING IT... EVER..

Do people on this board really seek out an online retailers advice in the form of ad copy to determine what they want to smoke? I understand if the uninformed do that.. but if you are a member here.. it should be apparent that there is plenty of advice available from actual smokers right at your fingertips.. if youre a member here.. you likely have a relationship with a B&M (or multiple B&M's).. you likely have relationships and have HERF'd with a number of other board members.. you most likely read an occasional blog or review board dedicated to cigars.. and/or read cigar magazines.. if you are a member here.. you are most likely more than a casual smoker.. you are I would guess to some degree an enthusiast.. if not a full blown fanatic..

So why would anyone read what is obviously over hyped garbage.. know its garbage.. and trust it.. then make a decision on what to buy or not to buy?

And if you like something (you were recommended it from someone other than CI.. or tried a single stick before making the plunge..etc..).. and can get it at a more affordable price through Cbid than anywhere else.. does it really matter what the ad copy says? Does it really matter what the band on the stick says? Does it really matter if the perceived quality is high or low? Who rolled it? or anything else? you have determined you like it.. and you have determined you like the price... what else exactly matters?

CI/Cbid is not where you go to find information or become informed... If you trust CI.. or Thompsons.. or hell, Halfwheel for that matter to be the be all to end all source of information that you make your purchasing decisions by.. you have failed miserably before you even got started..

it is however, without a doubt, one of the most affordable places/ways to purchase.. if you know what you are doing.. (can also bite you square on the ass if you dont know what you are doing)..

So.... if you want to use Cbid successfully... the formula is simple...

Know what you want/like prior to going there.. know what other places typically retail the product for.. if it is a CI exclusive or CI brand.. know what it sells for at CI.. know if it is something they routinely put on sale or clearance etc.. and know what you are willing to pay for it...

Bid that price.. and then sit and wait...

If someone comes along that is willing to pay more than that... let them do it... people pay above retail on Cbid all the time for whatever reason they do (uninformed.. let the excitement of an auction push them to making a bad decision.. must have the product right now.. etc..etc..).. DONT enter a bid higher than what you initially determined you wanted to pay..

If you loose.. its not a big deal.. its almost guaranteed that the same item will be up for grabs again in less than a week.. often the same item is up for grabs several times a week.. just bid on another one..

Sooner or later you will end up with what you wanted.. at a price far below what you would pay elsewhere...

this is especially true with "yard gars" and other lower end products.. its very hard to get a deal on lines from DE, Tat, etc..



Regarding their legal rights and what they can and cant do... while I would agree that what they do lacks ethics.. what law have they broken? and why do you believe they cant do what they are doing?
 
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I was so glad that I started lurking here of all places after getting into this hobby. I have been disappointed with cbid only a few times, but learned very quickly what to buy and to set limits on my bidding. I have gotten a few solid deals on Tat, Illusione, My Father but that is all I really seek out anymore. Thanks to BOTL I have become wary of that site and really value the first hand experiences of everyone here over the hype they put out. But like the OP I have indeed been in the "Oh shit I won" boat a few times lol.
 
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Yeah, from now on I think I'll just use cbid to try and grab deals on 5 packs I'm interested in trying and the random high quality stuff they throw on there. Too bad Fuente isn't on the brand list; I'd bid my ass off on a box of short stories or some gran reservas.
 
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I just joined cbid last night and damn if I didn't win my first lot. This place could turn dangerous. Diamond crown maximus Toro 5 pack for $37. I might get in trouble with this place.
 
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I picked up a bundle of 10 KFC hamhocks last week on cbid for a great price like $4/stick or so. Waaaay cheaper than my B&M, and at 3.75x56, perfect for that flavor profile for me.....I just gotta find a way to get paid more $$$$ or get paid to smoke cigars life would be perfect!

Totally see how a person can and will get in trouble over there. Happy bidding!

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CI's marketing and ad copy has always been way over the top.. The key to dealing with that is simple... DONT BOTHER READING IT... EVER..

Do people on this board really seek out an online retailers advice in the form of ad copy to determine what they want to smoke? I understand if the uninformed do that.. but if you are a member here.. it should be apparent that there is plenty of advice available from actual smokers right at your fingertips.. if youre a member here.. you likely have a relationship with a B&M (or multiple B&M's).. you likely have relationships and have HERF'd with a number of other board members.. you most likely read an occasional blog or review board dedicated to cigars.. and/or read cigar magazines.. if you are a member here.. you are most likely more than a casual smoker.. you are I would guess to some degree an enthusiast.. if not a full blown fanatic..

So why would anyone read what is obviously over hyped garbage.. know its garbage.. and trust it.. then make a decision on what to buy or not to buy?

And if you like something (you were recommended it from someone other than CI.. or tried a single stick before making the plunge..etc..).. and can get it at a more affordable price through Cbid than anywhere else.. does it really matter what the ad copy says? Does it really matter what the band on the stick says? Does it really matter if the perceived quality is high or low? Who rolled it? or anything else? you have determined you like it.. and you have determined you like the price... what else exactly matters?

CI/Cbid is not where you go to find information or become informed... If you trust CI.. or Thompsons.. or hell, Halfwheel for that matter to be the be all to end all source of information that you make your purchasing decisions by.. you have failed miserably before you even got started..

it is however, without a doubt, one of the most affordable places/ways to purchase.. if you know what you are doing.. (can also bite you square on the ass if you dont know what you are doing)..

So.... if you want to use Cbid successfully... the formula is simple...

Know what you want/like prior to going there.. know what other places typically retail the product for.. if it is a CI exclusive or CI brand.. know what it sells for at CI.. know if it is something they routinely put on sale or clearance etc.. and know what you are willing to pay for it...

Bid that price.. and then sit and wait...

If someone comes along that is willing to pay more than that... let them do it... people pay above retail on Cbid all the time for whatever reason they do (uninformed.. let the excitement of an auction push them to making a bad decision.. must have the product right now.. etc..etc..).. DONT enter a bid higher than what you initially determined you wanted to pay..

If you loose.. its not a big deal.. its almost guaranteed that the same item will be up for grabs again in less than a week.. often the same item is up for grabs several times a week.. just bid on another one..

Sooner or later you will end up with what you wanted.. at a price far below what you would pay elsewhere...

this is especially true with "yard gars" and other lower end products.. its very hard to get a deal on lines from DE, Tat, etc..



Regarding their legal rights and what they can and cant do... while I would agree that what they do lacks ethics.. what law have they broken? and why do you believe they cant do what they are doing?
After reading this, I feel a march into Washington is in order, for what? I have no idea, but still feel it is necessary...
 
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Cbid got me for about 1500 this year. For that I got a ton of decent cigars, a handful or two excellent cigars and many handfuls that found their way overseas to the troops.

Compared to the same amount at my b&m, I got the same quality but about 3x the quantity.

Love me some cbid. Unfortunately, if you're just starting out and dont know what you're looking for, their misguiding ads can quickly separate you from your dollars
 
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I definitely got caught up with the thrill of the bid the first few times on cbid, but lately with some experience I've grown to be a better bidder. I have continued to learn some valuable information through reading this thread, thanks gents. Now it's late night bidding time….
 
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Yeah, from now on I think I'll just use cbid to try and grab deals on 5 packs I'm interested in trying and the random high quality stuff they throw on there. Too bad Fuente isn't on the brand list; I'd bid my ass off on a box of short stories or some gran reservas.
What? Fuente is off cbid now? I always used to grab good deals from there. I think i once got a 5'er of god of fire carlitos for 63$.
 
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I recently won a box I was happy about. Until I had one and found out I don't like the stick! Not a great price if smoking them is more out of principle than enjoyment! Ughhhhh!!!!
 
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