Is there a difference in OR cigars to new cigars? For instance, is there a difference in the OR El Tri lanceros to the ones that are still being rolled now(the same blend NOT the new blend). Is the only thing that the OR are aged?
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OR question
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Some will say that the tobacco in the OR cigars was very well thought out and quality always has a tendency to decline. It's kinda like having the Rookie card of anything, it don't get much better than that! If they have a good year 3yrs down the road it's always nice knowing you got a box of rookies with the OR tobacco.
Wow, loaded question with so many variables....
I would venture to guess that if the continued production is from the same crop the production should be very close to the OR sticks. The difference being in the storage of the tobacco vs the storage of the sticks...
If the crop is from the same seeds but planted in a different year, then the variation in the soil from one year to the next may affect the blend...Not sure the lengths taken to ensure the soil conditions remain the same. Then you add in the amount of sun and rain and the tobacco can different than the OR tobacco.....
I look at it like wine....same graps and same farm but some years are better than other...
Another fine example is Opus. People constantly say how the Opus of old is much better than any Opus nowadays....But they are saying that recent releases are better than the last few years.....
Just my 2 cents, and thats probably all it is worth...
I would venture to guess that if the continued production is from the same crop the production should be very close to the OR sticks. The difference being in the storage of the tobacco vs the storage of the sticks...
If the crop is from the same seeds but planted in a different year, then the variation in the soil from one year to the next may affect the blend...Not sure the lengths taken to ensure the soil conditions remain the same. Then you add in the amount of sun and rain and the tobacco can different than the OR tobacco.....
I look at it like wine....same graps and same farm but some years are better than other...
Another fine example is Opus. People constantly say how the Opus of old is much better than any Opus nowadays....But they are saying that recent releases are better than the last few years.....
Just my 2 cents, and thats probably all it is worth...
Jfire
BoM 9/9' 9/11' 8/12'
Sometimes to me "freshies" just dont have the same refined mellowness. Especially in Nica tobacco. The "Ninja kick to the throat" is replaced with smoothness, balance and certain pronounced notes. Examples of this are the T110 ORs(June09) and EL Truinfadors ORs.
Craig Mac
BoM 4/10 7/11 12/14
I agree with that!
Consistency is the mark of a great brand. Sometimes OR just means that it is the oldest example of that smoke, or it can mean that the OR was better than current production.
Ideally, the cigar that premiers will smoke very close to the same as one that is released years down the road, but you know that the original release is the blender's original concept.
Davidoffs are really good about this, Rocky is really bad about this.
Short answer, depending on the smoke, it could just mean that they are old, or it could mean that they are the best example of that smoke.
Sidenote, I've had the OR T110 and the second release and they both tasted practically the same to me. I imagine they are from the same crop of tobacco so the variance should be minimal.
Ideally, the cigar that premiers will smoke very close to the same as one that is released years down the road, but you know that the original release is the blender's original concept.
Davidoffs are really good about this, Rocky is really bad about this.
Short answer, depending on the smoke, it could just mean that they are old, or it could mean that they are the best example of that smoke.
Sidenote, I've had the OR T110 and the second release and they both tasted practically the same to me. I imagine they are from the same crop of tobacco so the variance should be minimal.
The conde 109's always makes me ponder this same question. The 07 release is so much better than the 08 release that there has to be something more to it than just an extra year of aging. If they each have tobacco from a different yield than i would definitely say that soil, and the amounts of sun and rain make a huge difference and would be the reason. If both releases are from the same crop than maybe that one year makes more of a difference than i think...
ciggy
"TommyBoy"
I have to be honest and say my pallet isn't that refined to tell the minor difference. I've had boxed cigars or picked a 5'r and even though they cam out of the same box one might taste better than the other. So I guess you could say half the box is OR. I just try my best to age my cigars and hope they taste better with time. If you watch the video's of the cigar Mfg's you can see the workers pulling out differet leaves as they roll. They are also ripping pieces of the leaf as they fill so depending on to little or to much of the leaf can change the taste of the same cigar. Or atleast I would think so. I know I haven't had a box yet where they were all 100% great.
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Yup. IMO that is what separates the good blenders from the greats.