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Vaccines and Autism
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So long as peoples livelihoods are dependent upon grants from governments and corporations the subjectivity should be in question. Why is it that we put the scientists above all others and bow to their words as if they're friggin Jedi when every few years most of what they've claimed as fact is disproven.
I don't know about you guys but I take EVERYTHING I read with a grain of salt. Science and medicine has been wrong through out history. Especially when it comes to new theories concerning something that was not previously a problem or previously thought about. So It'll probably take another 20 years for them to figure out what the TRUE cause of Autism if someone actually spends to money to investigate it using objective scientific means.
The problem I have with science is that too often the science seems to be done backwards. Instead of forming a hypothesis and then performing an experiment and reforming the hypothesis based on results. Some science, especially when linked to public policy, seems to form a conclusion and then set out to design their experiments to prove said conclusion. Current smoking studies are a great example of that.
I'm a bit of a conspiracy theorist though and don't trust our government. I bet they're reading what I posted right now.....
The problem I have with science is that too often the science seems to be done backwards. Instead of forming a hypothesis and then performing an experiment and reforming the hypothesis based on results. Some science, especially when linked to public policy, seems to form a conclusion and then set out to design their experiments to prove said conclusion. Current smoking studies are a great example of that.
I'm a bit of a conspiracy theorist though and don't trust our government. I bet they're reading what I posted right now.....
Greg
BoM October 2006
The Lancet (the journal where the study was first published) retracted that paper last year on ethical grounds.
“Following the judgment of the UK General Medical Council’s Fitness to Practise Panel on Jan 28, 2010, it has become clear that several elements of the 1998 paper by Wakefield et al are incorrect, contrary to the findings of an earlier investigation.
“In particular, the claims in the original paper that children were ‘consecutively referred’ and that investigations were ‘approved’ by the local ethics committee have been proven to be false. Therefore we fully retract this paper from the published record.”
http://www.bmj.com/content/340/bmj.c696.long
I guess now they found that the paper was fraudulent.
“Following the judgment of the UK General Medical Council’s Fitness to Practise Panel on Jan 28, 2010, it has become clear that several elements of the 1998 paper by Wakefield et al are incorrect, contrary to the findings of an earlier investigation.
“In particular, the claims in the original paper that children were ‘consecutively referred’ and that investigations were ‘approved’ by the local ethics committee have been proven to be false. Therefore we fully retract this paper from the published record.”
http://www.bmj.com/content/340/bmj.c696.long
I guess now they found that the paper was fraudulent.
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Which may not actually be an epidemic...
The number of diagnosed cases rose, which may be due to a rise in incidents, a widening of the definition of Autism....
CWS
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Sorry. Most of you have never had the mumps or measles. This is because your parents watched children die of these diseases and when a vaccine was created they rushed to innoculate you. Many of you are alive due to these drugs. But ah we forget. When you don't see the epidemic numbers of sick and dying children it is easy to forget the threat, the fear. It is easy to listen to a flawed theory and rage against conspiracy. Until people start dying again... Sorry. Most of you have never had the measles, mumps. But unfortuneatley your children will if this keeps up.
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Not to be argumentative, but what you are basically saying is that we need to be thankful that some sort of "protection" is available to safe guard our lives, and no matter if the scare of the illness is true or not. For example the H1N1 or swine flue late 2008 early 2009, that yes admittedly claimed a number of lives but was not that dooms day plague, with all the vaccines rushed into production, not to mention the billions spent allover the world to pharmaceutical was more than happy to get, with effects on every one traveling and thermal cameras in airports and all the fuss, bla bla bla.
Most importantly to me personally, that after my 2 year old son got a flue shot to help protect him from the flue in 2008, he started to withdraw into his own world, not being responsive and not noticing anything around him and my wife and I running like crazy trying to find out what we can do to ease whatever is going on with him, and after 2 years we started getting some results but we still keep faith and hope that he will be well soon and stay well.
Now after all of that are you still saying that I should be thankful for a rushed in money making toxin injected into my child's body without any proof that it does not do any damage to his nerves especially knowing that mercury is present in that drug?
If you are, sorry, but I'm the one who has to look after that boy and no matter what, I will never stop thinking that it might have been preventable by not taking that shot, at least, till I get proof of otherwise.
Trk8, I'm sorry about your son, and I hope he improves quickly. However, there is no evidence the flu vaccine causes that sort of thing. Autism and other developmental issues usually become noticeable around 2 years old, regardless of vaccination history.
Read the below article, particularily myth #5.
http://www.usatoday.com/yourlife/health/medical/coldflu/2010-11-15-myths-flu_N.htm
Read the below article, particularily myth #5.
http://www.usatoday.com/yourlife/health/medical/coldflu/2010-11-15-myths-flu_N.htm
Thank you so much and you are absolutely right, but I believe that it's inconclusive. Mercury contaminants are present in baby formula and breast milk like the article states, but how much of this or that is too much for a certain child? I can't tell either which way, all I'm saying is why can't there be a safer way to give the vaccine without introducing extra risk factors?
Honestly speaking, I don't know and can't give a definite answer and I appreciate all the great work researchers do but I also hope that no one suffers for cutting "few corners" when there is a safer way, also like the article mentioned.
Finally, I know, what's done is done no matter what the cause is, the best thing now is to look ahead and hope for the best for all kids out there.