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If it passes they'll be plenty of pissed off people in the military...
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Possible Millitary Tobacco Ban
- Thread starter CAJoe
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I bet the Russians would let them join their army and allow smoking. :laugh:
BagfullofPings
IEHHC
Lovely!!!
The broke dick military (P***y decision makers, not the grunts in the field) is trying to help the troops. Oh f**king goodie. Perhaps the brass should focus on killing people and breaking things...they haven't done that effectively for 60+ years.
Jason
The broke dick military (P***y decision makers, not the grunts in the field) is trying to help the troops. Oh f**king goodie. Perhaps the brass should focus on killing people and breaking things...they haven't done that effectively for 60+ years.
Jason
openendstraight
Grand Corona
First off, you guys keep saying this will or will not ever get passed. It will never even have to be voted on, Defense Secretary Robert Gates or President Obama could put this in place if he wishes, and if he does it would take an act if Congress to change it.
Second, I have spent more than my share of time on military bases, and I would say that atleast 75% of Marines smoke. I did not, but I did drink more then than I ever have. I have no problem if they decide to make all bases and military transportation smoke free. You all are looking at this from a cigar stand point, they are not as harmful as those cancer sticks they are smoking. I'd this is put in place, look for liquor to be next.
For those of you that say we live in a free country, we don't. We live in a Democratict country.
Most of these young guys and gals in the Military enter between 18 and 20, and are very easily influenced.
Second, I have spent more than my share of time on military bases, and I would say that atleast 75% of Marines smoke. I did not, but I did drink more then than I ever have. I have no problem if they decide to make all bases and military transportation smoke free. You all are looking at this from a cigar stand point, they are not as harmful as those cancer sticks they are smoking. I'd this is put in place, look for liquor to be next.
For those of you that say we live in a free country, we don't. We live in a Democratict country.
Most of these young guys and gals in the Military enter between 18 and 20, and are very easily influenced.
Half the customers at my local b&m are military. This would put them out of business.
Not to mention what it would do to recruiting.
The military has already done quite enough to discourage tobacco use. I don't see a need to go further.
Not to mention what it would do to recruiting.
The military has already done quite enough to discourage tobacco use. I don't see a need to go further.
SkinsFanLarry
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See, they can save money that way and wouldn't have to buy "night vision" goggles!
BagfullofPings
IEHHC
What's up Don.
Would this really have to go through Congress? If I am correct, military personnel is not subject to our normal laws...they are subject to the UCMJ. Couldn't the president pass this down through the chain of command without dealing with Congress. I'm not an attorney, so I don't know. As the first lady, Hillary Clinton imposed a "non-smoking" rule in the White House. Did that have to go through congress? In my opinion, the White House is a military base. If that ban did not have to go through Congress, how is any other military base different? Let me know, you are always on top of these things like this so I would love to know the correct answer.
Jason
openendstraight
Grand Corona
It will never even have to be voted on, Defense Secretary Robert Gates or President Obama could put this in place if he wishes, and if he does it would take an act if Congress to change it.
Like I said in my first post, this doesn't have to go through Congress, President Obama could do this bt exuctive order, and if he does it would take an act of congress to change that order. Not only that Bags is correct Military personal are governed under a different set of rules and laws, the UCMJ (Uniform Code of Military Justice).
So in theory Secretary of Defense Robert Gates or the Secretary of the Navy (people don't realize he is the third most powerful man in the Military chain of command, right under Gates) could insitute this without approval from anyone else, the only difference being they can be over ruled by Congress or the President.
Like I said in my first post, this doesn't have to go through Congress, President Obama could do this bt exuctive order, and if he does it would take an act of congress to change that order. Not only that Bags is correct Military personal are governed under a different set of rules and laws, the UCMJ (Uniform Code of Military Justice).
So in theory Secretary of Defense Robert Gates or the Secretary of the Navy (people don't realize he is the third most powerful man in the Military chain of command, right under Gates) could insitute this without approval from anyone else, the only difference being they can be over ruled by Congress or the President.
More "Don't ask; don't tell" policy? I can just see combat weary soldiers "sneaking" a smoke.
BagfullofPings
IEHHC
Ok, that is what I thought. I must have misread the Congress part in your first post.
Jason
n.olson
Veteran Eccentric
might as well be a voice of reason/anger in all of this. this is no different that anything else our leaders in the military do, and on all the military sponsored channels we got in iraq, colonels and sergeant majors were doing PSA's about quitting, they are taking out ads in the ARMY/NAVY?etc. times to quit, it's everywhere. the military can (and will, within my career) and it is what it is, the main push is on cigarettes and smokeless tobacco, but i haven't investigated enough to see about cigars. but even in the past five years, i have been seeing a HUGE pushback against smoking, cessation programs, to first sergeants and platoon sergeants banning it outright to their soldiers, which again is well within their right. just hope they don't take my beloved cigars away....
mthhurley
BoM December 2011
Looks like they backed down on this one:
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The defense secretary will not ban smoking by troops in war zones despite a recommendation to do so by a Pentagon-commissioned study.
Defense Secretary Robert Gates says he does not want to compound stress in combat zones by banning smoking.
Secretary Robert Gates' decision stems from concern about the stress troops face, said his spokesman.
"We are fighting two wars right now, using a force that we are demanding more of than we ever have before. They are under enormous stress and strain, and the secretary does not want to compound that stress by taking away from them one of the few outlets they have to relieve that stress," Pentagon spokesman Geoff Morrell said Wednesday.
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The defense secretary will not ban smoking by troops in war zones despite a recommendation to do so by a Pentagon-commissioned study.
Defense Secretary Robert Gates says he does not want to compound stress in combat zones by banning smoking.
Secretary Robert Gates' decision stems from concern about the stress troops face, said his spokesman.
"We are fighting two wars right now, using a force that we are demanding more of than we ever have before. They are under enormous stress and strain, and the secretary does not want to compound that stress by taking away from them one of the few outlets they have to relieve that stress," Pentagon spokesman Geoff Morrell said Wednesday.
At least someone has a half a brain cell that at that level of government. I'd like to see those white coat wearing prius driving ass eaters run around with 70lbs extra in 110 degree heat. Then after living through the day, not want some sort of stress reliever. They know smoking increases the production of dopamine and seratonin which calm and cause a pleasurable feeling respectively. If you ask me they should send out "morale girls" with the troops. If they don't want them smoking give them an alternative stress reliever. hahaha.
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openendstraight
Grand Corona
So does chocolate.
BagfullofPings
IEHHC
Grunts need three things:
P***y
Booze
Tobacco
End of story!!
Jason
P***y
Booze
Tobacco
End of story!!
Jason