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We hear about 'em all the time and love or hate 'em they're pretty popular it seems. Was going through my e-mails and came upon this which I thought was a pretty read...

During the past year, I noticed that I was getting more and more press releases announcing new 6 x 60 ring gauge cigars. Do you remember how a few years ago Lanceros had come back into vogue? So, manufacturers began adding more 7 x 38 cigars to their repertoire. Now it seems as if just the opposite is happening with the demand for 6 x 60 cigars. The more 6 x 60's I saw coming into the market the more curious I became about this trend. So, I wrote to a number of well-respected cigar makers to get their take on this "Grand Toro" shape phenomenon, and asked, "What gives?"

I felt it appropriate to start with Nick Perdomo Jr., since Tabacalera Perdomo was among the first manufacturers to introduce extra-wide ring cigars when they released their Cuban Parejo line in 2001.
According to Nick, from a cigar manufacturer's perspective, making a 60 ring cigar is not all that profitable because the yields are poor and you have to use a lot of good quality tobacco to make that ring size.

Perdomo 10th Anniv Champ"I started the Cuban Parejo line because so many customers were asking for it," said Nick. After trying several different widths between 54 and 70, he finally settled on 60 since it seemed to be the best fit. As a result, the 6 x 60 began showing up in almost all of Perdomo's leading selections including, Perdomo Habano and the 10th Anniversary Champagne series, among others. Moreover, these cigars have done so well that half of their rollers have been assigned to making Grand Toros just to keep up with the demand.

"I'd prefer to do cigars that were closer to forty-two and forty-four. I'd have a higher yield by using a lesser amount of tobacco, and they're easy to blend. But the demand for sixty ring cigars is just un-frickin' believable!"

According to Nick, the big wide cigar trend is something that's really now, but it's been in longer than most people think. When the trend started about seven or eight years ago, a lot of factories begged-off the fat cats due to their high cost.

Habano Gordo"It takes about thirty-three pounds of tobacco to make one-thousand standard size cigars. To make a six by sixty it takes upwards of fifty pounds," said Nick. "The profit margin per stick is lower, but the customers love it. And because I make what my customers want, not what I want, it's worked really well."

The most consistent thing about the Grand Toro format (also called a "Double Toro") is its extra flavor and complexity. Not surprisingly though, there is a cadre of cynical cigar smokers who have criticized the shape, claiming that by making them manufacturers can get rid of some of their low-grade tobacco.

"You can't really cheat on a cigar like that," said Nick. "I can only speak for myself, but we don't do that. An experienced cigar smoker will be able to tell in an instant, because [a 6 x 60] cigar has so much tobacco, you pick up way more nuances and flavors. It's got'a be rock solid. All I can add is, this format has been a big winner for us."

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According to Ernest Perez-Carrillo, president of E.P.C. Cigars and creator of the original La Gloria Cubana blend, "We introduced a 60 ring gauge cigar in the Serie R line in 2001. We only had a couple of sizes, so I asked, 'What can we do next?' First we decided to go with a four and three quarters by forty-eight Rothchild. Then I found these old sixty ring molds, so I said, "Let's try a sixty instead."

As for the trend itself, Carrillo feels that cigar smokers have been asking for wider ring sizes because they believe the cigar will be stronger. But that's not necessary true. What is true is that when you have a cigar of such big proportions, you get much more flavor.

EPC Golosos"If you're making a Corona or a Lonsdale, you are limited to about three filler leaves ( Viso, Seco, Ligero) plus the binder and wrapper. For a 60 ring cigar I can use anywhere from four to six different fillers, then you have one or two binders and the wrapper. Due to the large filler to binder and wrapper ratio, the result is a cigar with much more complexity."

So is the 6 x 60 cigar trend a novelty? "No," says Carrillo. "It's a cigar that delivers in flavor. We have the "Golosos" in our original E.P. Carrillo series, the "El Decano" in the New Wave Connecticut series, the "2010 Dominantes" and "2011 Inmensos" from our Short Run series, and we're adding a 60 ring size to the Elencos series."

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Alan Rubin, president of Alec Bradley Cigars Maxx Freaksubmitted this reply: "We did it five years ago with Maxx, but we, too, are listening to our customers. We've added a six by sixty ring to the Family Blend line called the GS57, a Double T, to the Prensado line, which is a 6 x 62 box-pressed, and Black Market and American Classic Blend, our two new releases, have six by sixties."

As for the "why?" Rubin feels the economy dictates that we want more for less.

"A big beefy cigar provides more smoking time for the money. Maybe not more flavor, maybe not more complexity, but more time. Cigar smokers can take an hour and a half to two hour vacation and never leave their chairs when smoking a big cigar. And why not, we all deserve a little more down time."

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"For a period of time we noticed smokers were cutting back to shorter or quicker smoking cigars," said Janelle Rosenfeld, VP of Premium Cigar Marketing & Communications for Altadis, U.S.A. "Recently, perhaps with the increase of cigar lounges, or perhaps as a 'revolt' against smoking regulations, we have had smokers asking for longer smoking cigars. RRR MagnumIt's as if some smokers are saying 'I'm going to smoke a cigar and I want to relax and enjoy it and not rush through the experience.' I say...GREAT!"

To fill those requests Altadis has released 6 x 60 cigars this year in several of their premier editions. Their latest Grand Toro release is the "Magnum" which has been added to their popular Romeo y Julieta Reserva Real line.

"60 rings take a lot of tobacco, and you have to get the mix just right in order to maintain that wonderful balance and keep the smoke true to the original blend," she added."

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Nestor A. Plasencia Jr., whose La Floridita Fuerte Magnumfamily has made just about every cigar shape and size imaginable added the following comment:

"We have noticed this trend lately, too. I think most of the new brands we are doing have at least a 58 ring gauge. Cigar smokers are always looking for something new. From a blending perspective, I really like this because we can play with different tobaccos and create very complex blends; something you cannot do with smaller ring gauges."

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Jose Oliva of Oliva Cigars/StudioTabac said: Oliva V Dbl Toro"Large ring cigars are part of the trend towards full flavored cigars. They offer a large volume of smoke, thus increasing the flavor profile. The current trend to large ring cigars is far greater than the previous interest in Lanceros. While Lanceros continue to be a favorite among the avid enthusiasts, they don't compare with the much broader segment of smokers who enjoy a larger ring."

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So, it appears the two primary reasons cigar smokers love a large ring gauge is, 1) they're getting a lot more bang for their buck, and 2) the cigars offer a lot more flavor. The more tobacco, the more complex the smoke; it's that simple. The 60-ring cigar craze has a dedicated following, and its not a small group, either.

"Based on our research it's growing," said Nick Perdomo. "The demand for the six by sixty format has grown 50 percent. It's the number one selling sku in our Habano line, Gran Cru and 10th Anniversary Champagne, It's hard to keep up with production. I had no idea it would ever take off like this."

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P.S. (Sep. 25, 2011) After RP SUN GROWN 60reviewing the comments, I was reminded of my first 6 x 60 cigar. It was a Rocky Patel Sun Grown "Sixty." I beleive it was in 2005, and that Rocky was preparing them for market, because when he handed it to me, he said it was a new size they were adding to the line, and added, "It's fresh from the factory." I don't think it had a band, but I remember was how creamy and flavorful it was. So, whenever I think of 6 x 60 cigars, the RP Sun Grown Sixty comes to mind first, maybe because it was my first. Although I've grown fond of many other cigars in this format, the Sun Grown Sixty remains on my hit list.
http://www.cigaradvisor.com/news/cigars/whats-up-with-all-these-6-x-60-ring-cigars?utm_source=Newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=EMN1804&utm_content=feat

Thoughts?

Dan
 

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I think this says it all... LOL JD!

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But for real, I think competition is what really sparks a trend. One company sees another doing something different so they jump on the bandwagon. Then another company jumps on so they aren't left behind, then another etc. People are just buying new things and companies see the sales numbers and think this is what people really want in actuality, it's probably people just buying the new "hot" thing to come out. It's all cyclical for that reason.
 

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But for real, I think competition is what really sparks a trend. One company sees another doing something different so they jump on the bandwagon. Then another company jumps on so they aren't left behind, then another etc. People are just buying new things and companies see the sales numbers and think this is what people really want in actuality, it's probably people just buying the new "hot" thing to come out. It's all cyclical for that reason.
I don't like to deviate too much from my comfort zone, I think I'll stick with my backwoods... :pokemyeye
 
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Me I Used to love the larger ring guages but for me I noticed i got a lot more flavor from the smaller rg. To each his own, I love lanceros and coronas cause it's easy for me to find time to smoke and enjoy them, but there are times you want a bigger cigars.
 

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I'm not sure where Nick Perdomo is getting the idea that packing more tobacco in a cigar automatically equals complexity. Frankly, it has been my experience that the most complexity comes from a greater wrapper to filler ratio, which is lost with a large ring gauge. Also, a 60 ring gauge is frankly downright uncomfortable on the jaw, physically.
 

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There are very few 60 rings Ive had that have been complex. In my experience complexity comes from a good ratio of high quality filler to wrapper tobacco. Im under the impression that many companies use a lot of B filler in their larger RG cigars to make sure the cigar burns correctly. Hopefully JD chimes in on this thread cause Id really like hear his opinion on the matter. But the way I see it, Alan Rubin is 100% correct on the matter unless my view on 60 rings is false. Its all about burn time and perceived value.
 

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I think the commonality amongst all the manufacturers is "It's what's selling"!
I started out loving robusto's, now i love corona's and corona gorda's. I smoke 6x60's when they're given to me, or when i win them playing poker... that's about it!
 
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It seems to me that I can never get the really big rg cigars to burn or draw right. The smoke production has been consistently poor as well, from my experience smoking them. I would rather burn a pair of coronas than a single massive cigar.
 

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You think 6x60 is big...you should have seen the monster I saw at Cigar King this weekend...

10x66...I shit you not. It looked like a police baton...lol
 

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Might be only me but even the wrapper color marketing doesnt do me anything to flavors, there are many light colored cigars with kicks and maduro wrapped mild cigars , and now the bigger the complex thing going on . Filler blend makes the complexity for sure but not the RG , plus the thinner RG the more concentrated flavors come out . Slow smoking some the panatelas , I get more flavors then Padrons.
 

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I am a Toro size smoker or in that ballpark. I admit I've tried the 6x60 range thinking I'd enjoy a cigar that size but I really didn't. The toro for me is the perfect size so I don't see me buying any more 6x60's at all.
 

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I'm not sure where Nick Perdomo is getting the idea that packing more tobacco in a cigar automatically equals complexity. Frankly, it has been my experience that the most complexity comes from a greater wrapper to filler ratio, which is lost with a large ring gauge. Also, a 60 ring gauge is frankly downright uncomfortable on the jaw, physically.
This exactly mirrors my thoughts. If anything I find the huge ring gauge creates a very muddled and non-distinct flavor. For me, Lonsdales seem to most consistently deliver flavor and complexity in a smoke. I'm not implying that it is the only size to do so, but for me that's my ideal vitola...
 

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It's about getting the right balance of wrapper/binder/filler and not everybody is going to agree on what is the perfect size. A RG that is too big is going to be overwhelmed by the filler but most people like the taste of the filler over the wrapper. Robustos are very popular because of the RG and length...I tend to go for Churchills as my #1 size and Toros after that.
 

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I don't mind a 52-54 box-press, but that's the limit for me. Corona Gorda is where it's at. Really, anything 42-48 in RG works. The wrapper-to-filler ratio is where it should be for me in that range.
 

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I went camping this weekend and started with an OR LFD A (the shorter ones from 1998, prob 8.5") then a couple LFD Digger Maddies followed by a Cuba Aliados Miami Valentino. That order worked out great and the flavor party continued untill way after sunset. I agree with getting more complexity in larger rings, but my experience is mostly with LFDs. I don't smoke a lot of large rings from others. The Valentino is a 7x49, and other than LFD, a 50 ring is usually my choice.
 
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