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Is The Rapture "end of Times" Really Here?

Farani

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I actually studied this in college and the essence of his belief system is that he leaves it up to each individual to sort life out in a mirror type of existence from his own mind and observation.
This is the last I'll say of this because this isn't in the right forum (and I'm not meaning to cause a debate), but your opening statement shows you don't understand what he's saying at all. I'm not trying to be offensive in any way, so please don't take it that way; I am not trying to argue. Krishnamurti preached for the utter lack of a "belief system" in our lives, and if you tried to make a belief system out of any of his words, in any way, shape, or form, your actions are the antithesis of what he preached. There are no actions you can take to ever see truth; you cannot seek it out. You can only find truth through a silent mind, and this can only be found through constant attention of yourself; constant, nonjudgmental attention, because judgement in itself is a result of a belief. Truth is also ever-changing.
All of the individuals you spoke of are a result of a world of belief or non-belief, because non-belief is no different than belief; it is just the belief in no belief whatsoever. Freedom from belief is something entirely different. A revolution of the individual toward freedom from belief doesn't create more of these individuals you speak of, because it is belief at its very core that produces them; belief seperates, divides, and creates conflict. If you watch your mind attentively all the time you'll see how your belief in this or your belief in that, whatever it is, however small or large, creates constant conflict within. These are the things Krishnamurti speaks of.

Last thing I'll say, you speak of "self," and self, according to him, is the result of belief. Freedom from belief is freedom from "self" in a sense. If you understood what he is saying, you would never reference "self" and enlightenment in the same breath; self is a creation of the mind. Please re-read his speeches and writings. Again, I'm not trying to argue or insult; most people do not understand what he has said, so it's important to correct misunderstandings.
 
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And that there is the big problem with faith-based belief systems. Weak authentication strategies lead to little or no protection against false prophets.

When *I* start a religion messages from god will be cryptographically signed!
Actually, I think the Bible's authentication strategy is working pretty well seeing as almost all Christian groups (and so far every professed Christian who has posted in this thread) has called this guy a false prophet.

The reason there is so much falsehood in the world is we are careless with the truth. Just look at how many people forward along urban legends in E-mail.

Most any false prophet or false offshoot of Christianity in history can easily be debunked by anybody with a basic understanding of the Bible. That's why most of these false groups either A) discourage Bible reading amongst the "unenlightened common folk", or B) Require that their members use their "correct" bible translation. These days, it's even quicker and easier to debunk these groups with word-searchable E-bibles on the internet. The Bible tells us that there will be false teachers, and that we need to know the truth so we can more easily detect them. Acts 17:11 basically tells us not to blindly believe anything that anybody tells us, but rather check their teaching against scripture.

If anybody wants to know more information about the end times, check out raptureready.com or raptureforums.com. I post over there under the same username I use here.

As far as cryptographically signing things, there is compelling evidence within the numerical structure of the Hebrew and Greek languages that the original texts of the Bible are actually "signed" within their mathematical structure. The article below has more information on this.
http://www.raptureforums.com/FeaturedCommentary/theholybibleisinfallible.cfm
 
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That's why most of these false groups either A) discourage Bible reading amongst the "unenlightened common folk", or B) Require that their members use their "correct" bible translation.
Heck, I've even seen cases where sect members were simply told which parts of the bible to take literally, and told to ignore the rest as allegorical, or culturally irrelevant without being given a rational basis for making the distinction.

But like you said, people are careless with the truth.

As for RR, a buddy of mine hangs out over there but I haven't checked it out yet. Good stuff?

-Charles
 

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I believe the bible is true and if these guys read it they would come accross Mark 13:32 where it says “But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.

These guys don't know what they are talking about.
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HAHAHA ^ THIS!

"End of The Word" series...haha...a huge double toro or churchill to wait for the 22nd in case in didn't happen. :p
This is a big deal... I think collaboration is appropriate...

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As for RR, a buddy of mine hangs out over there but I haven't checked it out yet. Good stuff?

-Charles
I've posted there for about a month now, and they are pretty level headed. Of course, there are some who see what's gong on recently, such as the Japan earthquake, record tornado outbreak, and now massive flooding, and want to say the sky is falling. But for the most part it's not the case. The general mindset is that we are definitely in the season of the last days, which started when Israel became an actual country again in 1948, after having been scattered for about 1900 years. However, date setting is frowned upon (and is against forum rules). Overall, it's very well moderated.

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So how do you guys tell a false prophet from a real one?
John 8:31-32 Then Jesus said to the Jews who believed him "If you abide in My word, you are my disciples indeed. And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free."

Further, in Ephesians 4:14 it says "That we should no longer be children tossed to and fro and carried about by every wind of doctrine, by the trickery of men, in the cunning craftiness of deceitful plotting." (this referring to the Apostles teaching)

Harold Camping is an example of the trickery and cunning craftiness of deceitful plotting. The Bible clearly states that nobody will know the day or the hour. 1 Thessalonians 5:2 describes the day of the Lord as a "thief in the night". This goes on to say that Christians are not in darkness so that this day will not overcome us as a thief. But that doesn't mean we will know the day and hour. But just that we should be prepared so that when it does come, we're not caught sleeping. (See also Luke 12:35-40)
 
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So how do you guys tell a false prophet from a real one?
If a person claims to have special knowledge (not contained in scripture), some new "divine revelation", you are pretty safe that they are a "false prophet".

Most Christians aren't taught what happened in 70 A.D. which is what the "end times" prophecies were foretelling.


This guy is a nut case, pure and simple.
 
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Most Christians aren't taught what happened in 70 A.D. which is what the "end times" prophecies were foretelling.
I read RC Sproul's book, and am familiar with the Preterist viewpoint. That said, I still think the pre-trib viewpoint lines up with the Bible better. But it's fine, we can agree to disagree on this. I'll explain it on the way up. :smile:
 

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I like RC Sproul allot but probably disagree with him on this. I tend to lean toward the Reformed view on end times. Either way. I agree, we don't know the day or hour. We just better be ready.

Will there be cigars in heaven? I hope.....
 
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I read RC Sproul's book, and am familiar with the Preterist viewpoint. That said, I still think the pre-trib viewpoint lines up with the Bible better. But it's fine, we can agree to disagree on this. I'll explain it on the way up. :smile:
Actually if you can get your hands on "The Great Tribulation" By David Chilton, it's the best read I've found on the viewpoint.

It's out of print though I believe. I have a copy somewhere in boxes of books.
 
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any Amillennialists here? Represent!

too much time is spent on 'the end times' and not enough time is spent on the rest of the Christian message. What is important is that Jesus wins.
 

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any Amillennialists here? Represent!

too much time is spent on 'the end times' and not enough time is spent on the rest of the Christian message. What is important is that Jesus wins.
This is the way I am starting to lean myself. Im going to start a small group study in the fall st my church and I'll probably be in the minority....lol.
 
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