Not real sure, this is the method I started using after some internet research about a year ago. It works really damn good though.Is that the same method that one dude uses for his Amber? It's called King Brian's Caramel Amber or something like that.
I'm supposed to be brewing an Irish Red right now but I'm just too lazy today after my morning run, probably tomorrow. On the plus side I kegged up my Steamboat Willy Cali Common and it came out real nice. After a little lagering it should be spot on.