Dyed Wrappers on Cigars

[Le Buzz]

the owr is a good smoke... but dyeing cigars and then calling them "maduro" is simply false advertising. I won't smoke something that I don't feel is authentic. if Padron keeps pulling this kinda crap like they did on the 80th i will stop buying Padron as well... no matter how good they taste.

there are plenty of cigars out there that taste great that don't have dyed wrappers. cigar makers hear ye.

 

[Alwayslit]

Just had a Padilla 1932 2009..........dyed. A shadow of the Pepin 2007

 

[AlohaStyle]

Tobacco stains will show up on anything when its wet however, so while i'll say getting something like that all over hands and lips might be nasty, it's not really surprising to me... dyed or not.

I definitely don't agree with that. I have held a few wet cigars and my hands have never looked like that! I have also never had colored lips after smoking a cigar... And yes, I have never smoked a RP OWR or Decade.

But damn, the picture that started this thread is frickin' disgusting!

 

[Lifer]

I'm not a fan of RP by any means, but he's not the only manufacturer that pulls this sort of "smoke and mirrors" crap. I've never seen anything as bad as that picture, though. I've had some cheap knock-off brand "maduros" that stained my lips a bit, but nothing to that extent.

I like maduro wrappers for the smell and taste, not the looks. It's all about the fermentation process. You can't duplicate that with dye or stain. It also begs the question about blenders and their special "aged" tobaccos... how many of these "aged 5/8/10/12 years" cigars do you think were really aged that long?

 

[mthhurley]

As Simoun mentioned, there's a great article in Cigar Press about maduro but here's the key part of it:

"A Maduro wrapper that was given the proper fermentation process won't turn your lips black or make your fingers look like they were dipped in ink. A lot of these darkening methods were created to meet the extremely high demand of the infamous boom in the mid-late 1990s."

 

[joshua]

I wouldn't be totally against smoking them but I want to know what exactly they are adding. What is the stuff they are using made of? I want 100% tobacco, not additives and coloring. If the coloring is something harmless like the vegetable gum used while wrapping its not so bad, but this makes me wonder what else they could be sneaking in.

 

[maestrobasser]

I definitely don't agree with that. I have held a few wet cigars and my hands have never looked like that! I have also never had colored lips after smoking a cigar... And yes, I have never smoked a RP OWR or Decade.

But damn, the picture that started this thread is frickin' disgusting!

Well, I smoke Decades and several other RP's (Edge, 1990s, 1992s, OWR, etc) quite often and have never seen anything remotely resembling what the OP posted. So where does that leave us exactly? Does anyone actually think that if this residue was left all the time that Patel would sell enough cigars to stay in business, much less be as popular as he is? LMAO.

 

[Clay RP]

RE: RP CIGARS - DYE ISSUE: Dear friends, RP refrains from the use of dye in any of our cigars. That said, premium tobacco can suffer from some form of bleed -- if damp and or wet. This is actually a sign of aged quality, rather than poor quality. OWR is rolled with high quality, aged wrapper. And yes, the long aged leaf can suffer from natural bleed. We take intense pride in producing products without the use of any sort of color additives. With kind regards. C. Roberts - VP Marketing and Media - Rocky Patel Premium Cigars - Bonita Springs, Florida.

 

[itsme_timd]

RE: RP CIGARS - DYE ISSUE: Dear friends, RP refrains from the use of dye in any of our cigars. That said, premium tobacco can suffer from some form of bleed -- if damp and or wet. This is actually a sign of aged quality, rather than poor quality. OWR is rolled with high quality, aged wrapper. And yes, the long aged leaf can suffer from natural bleed. We take intense pride in producing products without the use of any sort of color additives. With kind regards. C. Roberts - VP Marketing and Media - Rocky Patel Premium Cigars - Bonita Springs, Florida.

Thanks for taking the time to reply Clay, I appreciate it.

After my initial post on this I asked a few other cigar-makers about their policies. I have a friend in Atlanta that is cigar maker and he has been to the Rocky Patel facility. He told me that some of the cigars are rolled on a 'dye pad' before sorting in order to minimize differences in coloration and make sorting easier. He was told that this is done because the consumer demands consistency in the coloration of wrappers on the cigars. Is that not the case?

 

[dpricenator]

RE: RP CIGARS - DYE ISSUE: Dear friends, RP refrains from the use of dye in any of our cigars. That said, premium tobacco can suffer from some form of bleed -- if damp and or wet. This is actually a sign of aged quality, rather than poor quality. OWR is rolled with high quality, aged wrapper. And yes, the long aged leaf can suffer from natural bleed. We take intense pride in producing products without the use of any sort of color additives. With kind regards. C. Roberts - VP Marketing and Media - Rocky Patel Premium Cigars - Bonita Springs, Florida.

Maybe that super premium Rocky Patel R4 maduro that turned my fingers and lips brown, was just a little moist. Maybe, but I doubt it.


edit/addition:

I'll leve my original comment above, though I would like to correct it. I think Clay RP is full of B.S. The R4 is a crappy budget cigar and is not touted as using premium tobacco, but it leaves brown stains. The OWR is suppoesed to be good, but leaves the same stains. Myabe what you meant to say Clay is that the dye that was used was still wet.

I never got those stains from a Fuente Anejo, 601 Blue, El Triunfador, Padilla Obsidian Oscuro or a Gurkah Ancient warrior which is blacker than night. So to say that RP is using premium tobacco that is a bit wet is crap. How come no ones else's premium maduros leave stains? Maybe your tobacco is so premium it just can't all stay in the cigar.

 

[funkejj]

RE: RP CIGARS - DYE ISSUE: Dear friends, RP refrains from the use of dye in any of our cigars. That said, premium tobacco can suffer from some form of bleed -- if damp and or wet. This is actually a sign of aged quality, rather than poor quality. OWR is rolled with high quality, aged wrapper. And yes, the long aged leaf can suffer from natural bleed. We take intense pride in producing products without the use of any sort of color additives. With kind regards. C. Roberts - VP Marketing and Media - Rocky Patel Premium Cigars - Bonita Springs, Florida.

I have the RP Cigar DVD where you clearly see them rubbing dyed lotion or cream on their cigars. I saw it with my own eyes.

 

[funkejj]

RE: RP CIGARS - DYE ISSUE: Dear friends, RP refrains from the use of dye in any of our cigars. That said, premium tobacco can suffer from some form of bleed -- if damp and or wet. This is actually a sign of aged quality, rather than poor quality. OWR is rolled with high quality, aged wrapper. And yes, the long aged leaf can suffer from natural bleed. We take intense pride in producing products without the use of any sort of color additives. With kind regards. C. Roberts - VP Marketing and Media - Rocky Patel Premium Cigars - Bonita Springs, Florida.

Oh and Clay please go post a introduction. Tell us about yourself.

 

[ScottyWed]

I grabbed a RP Fusion MM out of my humi two nights ago, wet the end before I punched it and ended up with dye on my hand. :sadpace:

 

[dpricenator]

I grabbed a RP Fusion MM out of my humi two nights ago, wet the end before I punched it and ended up with dye on my hand. :sadpace:

That's because it's a premium cigar...get with the program Scotty

 

[Le Buzz]

Erroneous! I think you will find that most of the regulars on this forum are quite savvy.

Your argument that the wrappers spew coloring on your hands and lips when wet because they are super-premium aged leaf is a very hard argument to swallow. You won't win me (or my wallet) over with this one...

RE: RP CIGARS - DYE ISSUE: Dear friends, RP refrains from the use of dye in any of our cigars. That said, premium tobacco can suffer from some form of bleed -- if damp and or wet. This is actually a sign of aged quality, rather than poor quality. OWR is rolled with high quality, aged wrapper. And yes, the long aged leaf can suffer from natural bleed. We take intense pride in producing products without the use of any sort of color additives. With kind regards. C. Roberts - VP Marketing and Media - Rocky Patel Premium Cigars - Bonita Springs, Florida.

 

[keinreis]

Did I seriously just read that? Anyone have some boots?

 

[musicman]

This thread is almost out of control...Greece style!

 

[sathington73]

Just thought I'd add my stick to the fire. I had a RP Edge maduro right out of the B&M humidor, so it was at 75% and I didn't wet it. By the time I was done, my fingers and lips were definitely brown.

 

[funkejj]

Here are two still captures from the DVD I mentioned earlier. Please explain to me exactly what the substance is that is being smeared on the leaves.

 

[itsme_timd]

Here are two still captures from the DVD I mentioned earlier. Please explain to me exactly what the substance is that is being smeared on the leaves.

Damn. You can even see on that first pic how brown the person's hand is.