I never got the magazine either. I think it is time to call our credit card companies and dispute the charges. Also, be sure to file BBB complaints.
Just called visa to try and contest it...too late since it is past 120 days!:cursing:I was just wondering about this the other day. I am calling American Express to dispute the charge. Buncha crap.
I didnt know this prior to subscribing but he stiffed a local bruddah and BOTL member 1k on some T110s. Still never pay to my knowledge!Wow... I've had some dealings with Steven, on another forum, but he seemed like a real stand up guy. I never had any issues... Kind of a surprise for me to see this.
Yeah, that's unfortunate to hear... Seems like the mag had promise too. Wish he would get on here & do some explaining & make things better with the stiffed BOTL. My relationship with him never went past business, but like I said, he seemed very honest & forthright. Hope the brothers involved get their hard earned $$$ back. :frownno:I didnt know this prior to subscribing but he stiff a local bruddah and BOTL member 1k on some T110s. Still never pay to my knowledge!
I havent been on BOTL for very long but have been active on other places for a long time even dating back to ASC on usenet. It is not really my nature to rip people. Im also like many cigar lovers in that we tend to be rather kind hearted. I can understand someone who falls on hard luck and needs some time to correct things. The big problem here isnt just about money but even more is your word or lack thereof in this case. After all you did create this thread to promote your magazine in the first place (which prompted me to subscribe) yet you didnt COMMUNICATE to us on BOTL about the problems for practically a full year.Magazine - for those who don't know we launched the magazine with limited support and basically what we brought in paid for the run. In 2011 our printer walked away with our 14k payment, which actually included some personal funding. It's been a hard road back but we finally have some ad support to get us back on track. I haven't been secretive about this. In fact it's been posted on some forums (sorry, I didn't post it on every forum out there). I've sent and responded to emails (I'm sure I've missed some). Not sure I've been "real active on twitter" I've maybe 10 posts in the past few months.
The mag is coming back in 2012 with all subscriptions basically starting over fresh, if you are willing to give us the second chance. If not, email me your information to stephen@thecigarnetwork.com and I will issue a refund. I don't care about the 120 days. If I can't refund how you paid, we can coordinate another form.
If you are willing to write 2011 off as a loss as we have had to, we appreciate that chance. If not, no hard feelings from our side. We understand.
As for the T110's there is a lot more to that story than people know and I don't intend on saying anything about that here except Marvin and I have figured it out personally and it's being resolved.
As for the T110's there is a lot more to that story than people know and I don't intend on saying anything about that here except Marvin and I have figured it out personally and it's being resolved.[/QUOTE said:I'm still waiting on you Steven. Still haven't received any form of payment yet. Marvin
Marvin, as I explained in my email to you, the one you responded to, I stated I only got paid once per month (Federal contractor) and would begin payments in February:I'm still waiting on you Steven. Still haven't received any form of payment yet. Marvin
I laugh that you say I have made "Excuses". I haven't made any excuses. I've simply answered your questions, especially since you seem to know what happens in my life better than I do.Sorry. Like I said on SnS, I don't buy the excuses. It's been OVER 2 YEARS since you stiffed Marvin and R.Fields B&M. Marvin manages a B&M and sent you a hot cigar (T110's) in good faith and it's been over 2 years since. You took in money from other BOTLs organizing a group buy... what happened to that money? I sure would be pissed if you took my money for a group buy knowing you never sent it on to Marvin. You have had way too many excuses. I'm all for giving someone 2nd and 3rd chances, but you have gone way past that.
Owing so many people money, in 2011 you have built a new home cigar lounge including new furniture etc, went to IPCPR in Las Vegas (and lied to Marvin's face about sending him a check) and bought a Chrysler 300. That's what you have flaunted on Facebook... what else, who knows?